Trumpcare Back From Dead Again: Cassidy-Graham Cruelest Version Yet, Has 49 Votes

[downnola]

Nonsense. The entire fucking ideology is just plagued with shitty logic. They aren't self aware enough in general to question it thats why they remain libertarians and the ones who are smart are the ones who abandon it when they realize the entire platform is really just a way for incredible wealthy rich white men to propagandize tax cuts as some patriotic freedom. It's bullshit through and through and to argue that those people are smart when they're stuck on such a short sighted narrow minded ideology is rich.

Speaking as someone who no longer considers themselves a right-wing libertarian: this isn't at all the reason why I dropped that ideology. I stopped calling myself a libertarian because ideologies in general are nothing more than unsophisticated analyses of how the world works. It's easier for people to blame a scapegoat for the world's problems (the state, late-capitalism, etc) than to try to see the nuance and complexities of economics, politics, and human behavior.

Left and right libertarianism, and most other identifiable ideologies, are utopian bullshit that sound profound at the surface, but collapse under minimal scrutiny. People like Tom Woods and Ron Paul discredit themselves with the shit they try to peddle, in exactly the same way Thom Hartmann and Howard Zinn do. I didn't ditch libertarianism because of anything the left said; I ditched it because I saw how intellectually bankrupt political extremes are.

I'm no centrist mind you, I'm still firmly on the right in many regards. I just don't find low-rent religions like anarcho-capitalism, anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-communism worth any thinking persons time.

[LaserSharkDFB]

Concession? you mean when they filibustered it or w/e its called and passed it with 0 Republican votes it was a concession?????? All those republican votes for a system they approved off Oh wait......

The Democrats, in a foolish attempt at bipartisanship, allowed the Republicans to add amendment after amendment to the ACA while they were planning, and the Rs still voted against it. Because they were and are obstructionist shitheels that can't even agree amongst themselves.

And if anyone thought that these people had any fucking idea what they were doing these last few months, well, I'm afraid Lindsey Graham has some bad news for you.

But now that it’s over, the old Graham is back and more than willing to laugh at how improbable it was that a national-security expert briefly held the national limelight as a supposed health-policy wonk.

Graham, though, said he was not alone in his lack of understanding of health care. “Nobody in our conference believes Obamacare works. It must be replaced. But until now we didn’t know how to do it,” Graham told reporters in the Capitol on Tuesday, audio of which is posted below.

A reporter pointed out that such ignorance at this late stage is itself hard to understand. “You’ve been working to overhaul this for seven years. Why is this so hard?” she asked.

“Well, I’ve been doing it for about a month. I thought everybody else knew what the hell they were talking about, but apparently not,” Graham clarified, adding he had assumed “these really smart people will figure it out.”

The crash-course in health policy has been a romp, Graham said. “I’ve enjoyed this more than anything. I’ve learned so much about health care in other states — Pennsylvania, Alaska, Ohio,” he said, adding that he even learned about his own state. “South Carolina, we have 11 predominantly African-American counties that have unique healthcare needs and one size doesn’t fit all, even within your state. I looked at the history of welfare reform, and I think we can replicate that here.”

That Graham thinks reforming health care is analogous to welfare suggests he may still have a way to go on his journey.

[Mormolyce]

Concession? you mean when they filibustered it or w/e its called and passed it with 0 Republican votes it was a concession?????? All those republican votes for a system they approved off Oh wait......

Because they knew the Republicans would be able to muster more opposition to universal healthcare which they could easily label "socialism". Bit harder to do when the policy was based on one created by their own Presidential candidate.

I mean they did that anyway, I guess because they figure their voters can't put 2 and 2 together and reliably get 4. But if they'd had a stronger argument against it then Democrats in marginal seats would've gotten sweaty, along with members of their own side who were more cautious about the idea.

[Dontrike]

I don't believe that everyone should be required to carry insurance should be your choice.. Much as my post about my house and how I don't carry homeowners insurance right now. if my house blows down well fuck i'm out $40,000 (the value of my house) if someone doesn't carry insurance and they get something they should be out (cost of out of pocket paying for treatment) It shouldn't be something that is forced on someone to carry insurance... but people shouldn't be allowed to hop on insurance once they get sick either.. Make insurance have a 2 year waiting period for preexisting conditions or something and remove the mandate.

Forget the argument on healthcare, did you just say you have ZERO homeowners insurance?! I just....h-h-how? Why?! Are you mental? Are you trying to use your terrible choice of not having insurance to show your argument is stronger as to why healthcare needs to be better?

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

[Poopymonster]

Forget the argument on healthcare, did you just say you have ZERO homeowners insurance?! I just....h-h-how? Why?! Are you mental? Are you trying to use your terrible choice of not having insurance to show your argument is stronger as to why healthcare needs to be better?

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

Don't worry, his future GoFundMe will take care of everything.

[Breccia]

Trump continues to push the lie that this would have passed, if a "yes" vote hadn't been in the hospital.

Sen. Cochran was never in the hospital. He was very specific on the subject before Trump repeated the lie on FOX News.

Further, this FOX News interview was after Murkowski came out as a "no" meaning they had, at most, 48 yes votes.

There is no defense of this. Trump is either willfully ignorant -- because he had nothing to do with the health care he promised -- or he's blatantly lying. There is no third option, and neither trait is redeeming.

[Nellise]

Trump continues to push the lie that this would have passed, if a "yes" vote hadn't been in the hospital.

The top comment to that article is nice: "Donald Trump was talking about Senator Rob Covfefe (R-Nambia), a recuperating victim of the Bowling Green Massacre President Obama ignored."

[Breccia]

The top comment to that article is nice: "Donald Trump was talking about Senator Rob Covfefe (R-Nambia), a recuperating victim of the Bowling Green Massacre President Obama ignored."

Let us all remember those lost at the Bowling Green Massacre by taking a knee OH SHIT

[Vizardlorde]

Guess which bill is coming back for the nth time. Trump just announced the gop will attempt to pass healthcare plan once again.

[Edge-]

Guess which bill is coming back for the nth time. Trump just announced the gop will attempt to pass healthcare plan once again.

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http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/27/news...are/index.html

That's all I can find, and that's him talking about an EO. I mean, he's still referring Trumpcare 4.0 as if it's not dead, but I don't think the GOP Senate gives a fuck what Trump says at this point.

[Vizardlorde]

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http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/27/news...are/index.html

That's all I can find, and that's him talking about an EO. I mean, he's still referring Trumpcare 4.0 as if it's not dead, but I don't think the GOP Senate gives a fuck what Trump says at this point.

Its live on fox again give it a couple of mins. Basically he said they have the votes they just lacked time and that the law will be voted on in a few months.This is after meeting with senate republicans. And shit all my breaking news coming from fox make me seem like habitual viewer lol

[Edge-]

Its live on fox again give it a couple of mins. Basically he said they have the votes they just lacked time and that the law will be voted on in a few months.This is after meeting with senate republicans.

He's been saying that for a day or two though, if memory serves. Unless the GOP is pulling a major fakeout, he's still talking out his ass like usual.

Edit:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/28/politi...are/index.html

Seems like it's based off of this from Fox & Friends. Fucking Fox & Friends, lol. Trump claiming the GOP has the votes despite there being at least 5 confirmed "no's" (Murkowski, Collins, McCain, Paul, Cruz). Talking out his ass indeed.

[paralleluniverse]

He's been saying that for a day or two though, if memory serves. Unless the GOP is pulling a major fakeout, he's still talking out his ass like usual.

Edit:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/28/politi...are/index.html

Seems like it's based off of this from Fox & Friends. Fucking Fox & Friends, lol. Trump claiming the GOP has the votes despite there being at least 5 confirmed "no's" (Murkowski, Collins, McCain, Paul, Cruz). Talking out his ass indeed.

There are 3 nos Collins, McCain, Paul. Cruz says he's a no, but that can't be believed.

Murkowski is not a no. She refuses to state her opinion in public. According to Graham, in private she supports block granting, but has problems with pre-existing conditions, and is trying to get to yes.

But, of course, Trump is lying.

[Mafic]

There are 3 nos Collins, McCain, Paul. Cruz says he's a no, but that can't be believed.

Murkowski is not a no. She refuses to state her opinion in public. According to Graham, in private she supports block granting, but has problems with pre-existing conditions, and is trying to get to yes.

But, of course, Trump is lying.

Those are issues that can be ironed out and negotiated within a weekend. Collins and McCain are the hold outs right now, because Paul isn't going to say no to less government spending in the long run. Paul argues the cuts aren't enough but he will take any cutting at this point.

[DarkTZeratul]

Those are issues that can be ironed out and negotiated within a weekend.

But they don't have a weekend. The deadline for doing it with only 51 votes is Saturday.

[Mafic]

But they don't have a weekend. The deadline for doing it with only 51 votes is Saturday.

Yup which is why I do not think they make it to the finish line which is why Trump has already pivoted to Tax reform discussion. But you never know because that still leaves a lot of time for backroom deals.

[UnkLegacy]

There's a minimum 20 hour debate rule. Unless they're going to do 20 hours straight, I highly doubt they'll vote on it before the 30th.

[Breccia]

he said they have the votes they just lacked time

Yes. He blatantly lied.

Or he doesn't know what he's talking about. There are four confirmed "no" votes and nobody was ever in the hospital.

[ati87]

They filibustered EVERYTHING the Dems purposed that didn't go 100% in thier favor. From the ACA to passing the budget the GOP set the bar for I want everything I want and you can suck eggs.

They (republicans) even filibustered their own bill(s) at some point....

[Smitzelplix]

They (republicans) even filibustered their own bill(s) at some point....

They did indeed do that and it's captured on video!