The Army Is Investigating The Pro-Communist West Point Grad In This Viral Photo

[Collegeguy]

Because there's absolutely nothing wrong with him being a communist.

There's always something wrong with being a communist.

[Deleted]

I hope the other guys pay him a visit when he's in the showers... you know, guys trip and bash their heads 5 times on the tiles all the time.
Accidents, got to be careful you know.

[Lollis]

I hope the other guys pay him a visit when he's in the showers... you know, guys trip and bash their heads 5 times on the tiles all the time.
Accidents, got to be careful you know.

Thinks that all people should share and work together for everyone's benefit instead of being beholden to the 1%; diserves to get the shit kicked out of him.

Couldn't make it up.

[Dezerte]

Being a communist shouldn't be an issue.

They may have him on that violation, however "Communism will win" is not necessarily an attack at any of the mentioned parties in the law being quoted.

[Forogil]

So why is this story about his political views, and how they're insufficiently in lockstep with the American right wing?

Because there's absolutely nothing wrong with him being a communist.

In the military there is:

Communism (*) include the concept of a forcible revolution.

The armed forces of a nation don't normally want people to serve who want a forcible revolution against the nation itself.

"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions." - straight from the communist manifesto.

*: At least historically - and the image of the violent revolutionary Che indicates that it is the case here, unless he is just trolling with Che. This is in contrast to democratic socialists (he was a member of that party) that abandoned the revolution.

[Kuntantee]

Expressing anti American views, holding extremist views, insulting CoC, behavior unbecoming.....list goes on and on.

It's the same as being a open Nazi.

America is composed of migrants. Many people have different views. It's quite ignorant of you that you still couldn't realize it after spending your life in USA. Moving on, if having extremists views was a problem, you'd be kicked out of army as well.

[Independent voter]

The soldier also admitted being a card-carrying member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).


http://www.dsausa.org/


Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few. We are a political and activist organization, not a party; through campus and community-based chapters DSA members use a variety of tactics, from legislative to direct action, to fight for reforms that empower working people

We also have a Communist Party in the US which is very old like founded in 1920, it suffered a lot during the 1950's but it's still around.

[Zoranon]

As hard as you want to draw equivalence between right and left, the two were never the same and they will never fucking be the same.

Yes they are the fucking same, no matter how clueless and/or evil people like you want to hand-wave the evils of communism away. Communism is as bad as nazism, in fact worse if we go by death toll.

Communism is incompatible with human nature and the horrendous regimes were the only possible real world applications of it. It belongs into the trash bin of history together with Nazism. Anyone who is a communist today is either very stupid or very evil. End of story.

[Deleted]

Re-read the article. His twitter statements alone are enough to get him shit-canned.

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I second this.

What's wrong with being a communist?

[Zoranon]

What's wrong with being a communist?

The same as being a Nazi. You are either very stupid or evil.

[Deleted]

Yes they are the fucking same, no matter how clueless and/or evil people like you want to hand-wave the evils of communism away. Communism is as bad as nazism, in fact worse if we go by death toll.

Communism is incompatible with human nature and the horrendous regimes were the only possible real world applications of it. It belongs into the trash bin of history together with Nazism. Anyone who is a communist today is either very stupid or very evil. End of story.

They are really not even close to being the same, as i'm sure you really know.

This equating of communists and nazis really, really needs to end. Its fucking embarrassing.

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The same as being a Nazi. You are either very stupid or evil.

In what way? I haven't seen any communist literature extolling mass murder or gassing people. Have you?

[Zoranon]

They are really not even close to being the same, as i'm sure you really know.

This equating of communists and nazis really, really needs to end. Its fucking embarrassing.

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In what way? I haven't seen any communist literature extolling mass murder or gassing people. Have you?

Yes they are the same, only some who is intentionally ignorant or simply not intelligent enough can insist on differentiating between them.

This hand waving of communist crimes sickens me. But then again I am probably talking to someone who thinks it is cool to wear a shirt with the mass murderer Che on it...

Mein Kampf doesn't call for physical extermination either you know... There are plenty of calls for violence for example stealing the factories from the rich, or establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat.

[Deleted]

Yes they are the same, only some who is intentionally ignorant or simply not intelligent enough can insist on differentiating between them.

This hand waving of communist crimes sickens me. But then again I am probably talking to someone who thinks it is cool to wear a shirt with the mass murderer Che on it...

Mein Kampf doesn't call for physical extermination either you know... There are plenty of calls for violence for example stealing the factories from the rich, or establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat.

lol stealing factories?

the uk nationalised many industries and not a single death.

give me one example of communism calling for mass murder?

[Machismo]

Endus wants to be right so badly that he is arguing with a veteran about military codes XD

What a great thread.

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Yet that's what happened under literally every single communist regime in the history of the world.

Not a great track record.

Plenty of veterans don't have a clue about military codes.

That's not to say Endus is necessarily correct, but it's clear that many of the veterans on here don't have a solid understanding of the UCMJ.

Take a few veteran posters on this thread. It's like they were saying things, getting shot down... then going to look up different UCMJ articles on another discussion board.

[Zoranon]

lol stealing factories?

the uk nationalised many industries and not a single death.

give me one example of communism calling for mass murder?

Ok last attempt since you seem to revel in your ignorance.

Hitler does not call for mass murder directly in his book either. But any real world application of both Das Kapital and Mein Kampf will necessarily lead to mass murder.

Btw how do you think dictatorship of the proletariat is established if not by killing all opposed to it - see for examples the troikas during Russian revolution.

[Machismo]

Sure, but I think it's safe to say that a civilian from *Canada* probably doesn't have as good of an understanding of them as an American vet.

and Endus has yet to prove me wrong.

I may disagree with the uy quite often, but he is clearly a intelligent, relatively-well-informed person. It's not that hard to look up te UCMJ and understand it.

When I was in the military, most of the UCMJ comments were about not committing sodomy over the weekend. The UCMJ didn't matter nearly as much as the direct orders from the immediate chain of command.

It's true that officers have stricter rules than enlisted personnel. Even with that, some of the things that were pulled out by certain posters did not apply, or were a huge stretch.

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Ok last attempt since you seem to revel in your ignorance.

Hitler does not call for mass murder directly in his book either. But any real world application of both Das Kapital and Mein Kampf will necessarily lead to mass murder.

Btw how do you think dictatorship of the proletariat is established if not by killing all opposed to it - see for examples the troikas during Russian revolution.

Some people do actually call for an extraordinarily-slow progression into communism. If that is the case, then it can "nearly" be attained without violence. Of course, it would take thousands of years, but there are actually communists who support such a thing.

[Deleted]

Communism never calls for mass murder, it just creates the conditions and great incentives for mass murder to occur, which is why it happens in literally every communist state that has existed.

Really? Give me an example of a condition and incentives for mass murder to occur.

As i already mentioned, 'stealing' factories didn't cause a single death in the uk.

[zorkuus]

I'm pretty sure Mein Kampf had several references to the concept of "Blut und Boden", "Lebensraum" and even the "Right of the Strongest", the right to take with violence what others are unable to keep hold unto peacefully or defensively.

You don't have to be "pretty sure". This is a man who attempted a coup. it's a 100% quarantee it's in there.

[Mormolyce]

A communist has no place in the U.S. military, how sad that he has ended a otherwise distinguished career in such a way. He will probably be discharged for violating art 88 of the UCMJ and be made to pay back the USMA for his education.

How disappointing.

Being a communist bad; being a Kremlin puppet good. The logic of the far right in 2017.

Why are we talking about a army dress code violation?

Oh you know why.

[JohnBrown1917]

That guy is my hero.