The Army Is Investigating The Pro-Communist West Point Grad In This Viral Photo

[Machismo]

Really with Trump in charge?

I find it hard to believe that if polled not close to 40-50% of the people in the army at least would express they think Trump is incompetent or an idiot.

This is just an unfortunate case of some military 'locker room' fun leaking to the public. Worse shit than this happens constantly in every military base, I can guarantee it.

One can think whatever he wants, but expressing it publicly while in the military is risking one's career. This is especially true for officers. I can say that Trump is a shitty shit shit, but then again, I'm no longer in the military.

[Zoranon]

Really with Trump in charge?

I find it hard to believe that if polled not close to 40-50% of the people in the army at least would express they think Trump is incompetent or an idiot.

This is just an unfortunate case of some military 'locker room' fun leaking to the public. Worse shit than this happens constantly in every military base, I can guarantee it.

I am fairly certain Trump would poll better than Obama, especially after Obama dubbing a terrorist attack a workplace violence...

Most soldiers are republican voters according to polls.

[Spectral]

Maybe. I see this as particularly harmless though and it seems like a silly joke. They can 'look' into it, and they probably won't find much. It's a stupid thing. I was a military officer, I went through the 4,5 years of training / education and served a number of years afterwards, so like... I understand how these things go. My colleagues in the Military Academy weren't particularly political correct, there was tons of 'locker room' talk. TONS of it, which is to be expected with a bunch of people who have to share each other's company almost 24/7 around the year. Every single thing imaginably wrong to 'political correct' and 'decent' people happened there, while in uniform. There used to be guys who said: "Fuck all muslims. Just shoot them through the end." to Sergeants bragging about "blowing up niggers in the Congo" to guys joking around about wanting to bring the Communist Revolution. It was all just banter, locker room talk and bullshit among a bunch of living breathing people who when given proper responsibility with 99,9% probability would revert to doing the same thing as every other diligent bureaucrat and neo-liberal or neo-con.

People who think that nobody in the army ever behaves indecently, or indecently less than a few dozen times a year, is probably in for a big shock.

I think this is true in all professions - you're right, private conversations always have things that'd get you in trouble if they were posted in public. The difference is the public nature of this guy's display. Maybe he's just joking though, you could be right.

[Zoranon]

You are painting a too rosy picture.

Karl Marx co-wrote the Communist Manifesto that called for a violent revolution, and it was written after the original leftist revolution led to the reign of terror - but still the 10-point plan did not include safeguards against another reign of terror.

You are completely right, but sadly there are people unwilling or incapable of grasping that.

[Citizen T]

From what I can tell the guy never disobeyed an order. If I missed it please point it out to me. His personal views shouldn't be a problem unless he starts doing something wrong.

Some orders are inherent to your training. For instance, when I was in boot camp many many moons ago, we had a 3 hour class on personal behavior that clearly outlined dos and don'ts. Violating these is the same as violating a direct orders. This training for me was way before Facebook, so in today's social media environment while I cannot say for 100% sure, but I'd bet a very large sum that cadets went through at least a 1 hour if not as long as 3-4 hours of training that covered social media alone not to mention other behavior.

[Ragedaug]

I am fairly certain Trump would poll better than Obama, especially after Obama dubbing a terrorist attack a workplace violence...

Most soldiers are republican voters according to polls.

Pretty much this. Obama polled much lower among the military than Trump does, and if active member of the armed forces openly spoke negatively against Obama or his SOD, they would get the boot.

One of the ironic parts of joining the military. You give up some of your rights so you can fight for the rights of others.

Imagine sacrificing your life to preserve a right you don't have so strangers you'll never meet get to keep it. That's part of the reason some folks hold members of the military in high regard.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Really? Feel free to cite the Uniform Code that's relevant.

Note that passages about partisan political action and such refer to campaigning or working with the party directly, not just holding certain political views. He might've breached the latter on conduct principles alone, but "being a communist" isn't a breach itself. Even if he's open and public about it.

You're correct, you are allowed to be a marxist and in the military. You're expressely forbidden however to use your uniform or official capacity as a political prop to further your views. I can attend a political rally, volunteer for a candidate, and argue with strangers on the internet all I want. I'm not however allowed to do so in uniform, and shoulden't be. Furthermore, he violated his oath by publicly bashing the President and Secretary of Defense, in his official capacity, in uniform. I was never a fan of President Obama, and often took exception with his policies. I never though, even in private discourse, attacked him personally, or expressed disrespect for the office he held.

Another issue for him is he's he's expressed sympathy to ideologies and countries which are enemies of the United States. For Joe private this is dumb, but not necessairly career ending. As an officer though, he'd never be able to hold a security clearence required to fufill his duties. I think he knew this and was looking for a way out.

Lastly, even if you're not inviolation of the UCMJ, which this idiot clearly was, spewing your personal politics on social media while in active service is very risky. We serve at the pleasure of the President, whomever he might be, and we're not entitled to preferred assignments or the next promotion. I'm a lot more vocal here on MMO champ because I use a pseuodnym. Even so there has been a time or two where I've looked back on something I posted and thought better of it later.

[Nehezbegar]

Only those who didnt live under communism can spit such ignorant shiet that communism is not "evil" or those who lived but were in the ruling party living good life, sadly the life of a regular person under this regime is not fluffy.

[JohnBrown1917]

Only those who didnt live under communism can spit such ignorant shiet that communism is not "evil" or those who lived but were in the ruling party living good life, sadly the life of a regular person under this regime is not fluffy.

Communism is not just stalinism/maoism.

[Saiona]

I knew comrade endus would be in here

[jdbond592]

So Nazi's should be able to serve?

They aren't? Nazis, Bible thumpers..They are all there.

I concur that they may not be running around with a Nazi Placard everywhere.

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I am fairly certain Trump would poll better than Obama, especially after Obama dubbing a terrorist attack a workplace violence...

Most soldiers are republican voters according to polls.

Not shocking considering their "education" and "their upbringing". And by soldiers, we mean NOT OFFICERS.


This is not 101st airborne. We don't get the best or brightest. Still they serve so they have my respect.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Communism is not just stalinism/maoism.

I never get tired of seeing this argument. "The only reason Communism hasen't been successfully implemented anywhere is because the fairytale version that only exists in my head hasn't been tried yet!" You guys are priceless.

[OrcsRLame]

How does saying communism will win violate that?

Communism is inherently anti-hierarchical. Being a communist is intrinsically a statement that you do not believe the President, (and all other state authority) is legitimate.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

They aren't? Nazis, Bible thumpers..They are all there.

I concur that they may not be running around with a Nazi Placard everywhere.

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Not shocking considering their "education" and "their upbringing". And by soldiers, we mean NOT OFFICERS.


This is not 101st airborne. We don't get the best or brightest. Still they serve so they have my respect.

Ummmm, the 101st isn't special operations, doesn't have a selection process, and is MTOEd the same as any other light infantry division. When they de-activated their 2nd Combat Aviation Brigade, they even lost the distinction of having extra helicopters. Don't get me wrong, they're a fine division with a great history, they're just not idenfiably special from any other. He're's a tip for you, if you're going to spout off about thing you've no understanding of, don't offer specifics you can get called out on.

[OrcsRLame]

Why would that argument be invalid?

It's basically just semantics at this point. Would you feel better about it if people called it something else instead?

I don't think anyone wants Stalinism or Maoism, there is nothing priceless or dishonest here. Why are you so unwilling to listen?

It's silly because the revolutionaries on this very forum literally think they could do it better than Lenin, Stalin and Mao. It reminds me of the phrase, no plan survives contact with the enemy. It's as if these people think they have unlimited foresight and all the other people that tried communism were just morons that lacked vision.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Why would that argument be invalid?

It's basically just semantics at this point. Would you feel better about it if people called it something else instead?

I don't think anyone wants Stalinism or Maoism, there is nothing priceless or dishonest here. Why are you so unwilling to listen?

We'll, as a deeply religious person, I have philosophical sympathies to certain types of theocracy, but I'm honest enough with myself and my assesment of history to admit that they always end in totalitarian bloodbaths. Those with marxist sympathies ought to do the same. Nobody would complain if you lived on a farming commune and practiced marxism in your private live. We'd call you wierdos and probably ridicule you, but we wouldn't be bothered by you. It's when you entertain the fantasy that your version of a totalitarian state would behave in any way different than they ever have, and seek to install such governments, that we get fed up with your shit.

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Communism is inherently anti-hierarchical. Being a communist is intrinsically a statement that you do not believe the President, (and all other state authority) is legitimate.

Strangely enough every time they come to power, the first step is to install a hierarchy based around the party.

[jdbond592]

Ummmm, the 101st isn't special operations, doesn't have a selection process, and is MTOEd the same as any other light infantry division. When they de-activated their 2nd Combat Aviation Brigade, they even lost the distinction of having extra helicopters. Don't get me wrong, they're a fine division with a great history, they're just not idenfiably special from any other. He're's a tip for you, if you're going to spout off about thing you've no understanding of, don't offer specifics you can get called out on.

When 101st airborne was conceived pre world war 2, it was the only unit where you had to volunteer to join in. It was filled with people from all walks of life. Extremely bright and smart people. Band Of Brothers TV show narrated their story.


I am comparing them to current "volunteer only" crowd. We get the bottom feeder now. Most of these people can't find any other job. I have little more to add to current state of our "military".

[Adam Jensen]

Why would that argument be invalid?

It's basically just semantics at this point. Would you feel better about it if people called it something else instead?

I don't think anyone wants Stalinism or Maoism, there is nothing priceless or dishonest here. Why are you so unwilling to listen?

Actually what's being dishonest are the conservatives who claim that liberals DO want Stalinism or Maoism. They imply it all the time, whenever any socialist or socialist-like policy is being discussed.

[Magnagarde]

Democracy at it's best. If someone is a communist, it is their personal right to be one. Shameful you can't be one in a country that even allows nazi movements to thrive.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

When 101st airborne was conceived pre world war 2, it was the only unit where you had to volunteer to join in. It was filled with people from all walks of life. Extremely bright and smart people. Band Of Brothers TV show narrated their story.


I am comparing them to current "volunteer only" crowd. We get the bottom feeder now. Most of these people can't find any other job. I have little more to add to current state of our "military".

Sigh, one quick google search is all it took.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1873842.html

"As a whole, the U.S. military is far better educated than the American population it defends. 82.8% of U.S. military officers in 2010 had at least a bachelor’s degree, compared to 29.9 percent of the general population. 93.6% of enlisted soldiers had at least a high school diploma, compared to 59.5% of America."

There's wrong, and then there's dead wrong. You're the latter.

P.S. Your military knowledge is incorrect again. There were several all volunteer units. Most of them, like the 101st, missed out on the earlier campaigns of the war. 10th Mountain is another example. There are probably more. It is best not to build your historical knowledge off a TV miniseries, entertaining as they may be.