The Army Is Investigating The Pro-Communist West Point Grad In This Viral Photo

[JohnBrown1917]

Sure, Capitalism isn't perfect. But to claim Capitalism is responsible for more than the 100+ million deaths and millions currently starving under Communism, makes you absolutely delusional. You have no idea what you're talking about. XD

I never said that.. what the hell?
Communism barely exists these days. We got what.. Cuba? State socialism in Venezuela? Maaybee north-Korea if you stretch it... State communism is pretty much dead.

But you really don't see all the deaths that the US caused over the decades? All those coups? Also those Innocent men/woman that die because of US military actions in the ME? Pinochet? All those African countries that get exploited by big business?

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Communism (Socialism) sets an expectation that food is a right vis-à-vis delivered to their mouWellth via the state.

Well, I agree that food is a right.

[Deleted]

Well, I agree that food is a right.

At what point, exactly, did it become a right?

[Synros]

I never said that.. what the hell?
Communism barely exists these days. We got what.. Cuba? State socialism in Venezuela? Maaybee north-Korea if you stretch it... State communism is pretty much dead.

Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea are basically Communist States. Problem is Commies keep shifting the goal posts, so they don't have to admit how damaging Communism has been and continues to be. Hell, I've even seen Commies try to claim that Stalin was actually far-Right. Commies, by their very nature, are purely disingenuous. They must lie to keep Communism "alive", no matter how many perish. Every time it fails, they just claim it's not "real" Communism. It has always failed and will continue to fail, because it has no basis in reality.

Literally no one is denying that the US has blood on it's hands. Problem for you is, that has nothing to do with Capitalism as a system. That's solely on the out of control Military Industrial Complex, which is an oligarchy. Capitalism isn't exclusive to the US. Maybe you should actually know what you're talking about first, because you just look like a fool making excuses for 100+ million deaths...

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Well, I agree that food is a right.

Right, because that's never before been abused by Communist systems. Oh wait, except it has. Every. Single. Time.

You'll get the food you're "entitled" to, if you be a good little worker and pledge yourself to the party...

[Haven]

Well here's the freedom of self-expression and political views. Only congress-approved views are considered free. All other points of view are prohibited and persecuted even though there's formally no law against that.

[Adam Jensen]

It's an attractive ideology for those who'd reather demonize wealth and achievement than gain either for themselves.

Which is a gross interpretation of what we want.

Wealth is fine. But people beneath you should not be struggling just to survive and have basics like food, shelter, and healthcare. Most of us liberals just want to raise the bottom. And yes, raising the bottom, means taking some off the top. Someone's gotta be taxed, why not tax those who can afford to be taxed?

I'm not about punishing the rich; I just feel like it makes more sense for them to shoulder a bit more of the burden, because they're the ones who can afford it.

I know some liberals want there to be a limit to how much wealth a person can hoard. I'm not one of those.

[telygroar]

Im sorry where are capitalists putting people in Camps to be exterminated because they dont agree with capitalism? Where were the Capitalists killing the intellectuals, artists, teachers, scientists etc etc?

The people have been send to camp because they did not agree with the people in power. Communism was just an excuse. The same shit than capitalism when youre not ok with the one in power. Like turkey for the most recent example. Its just a mean to the pople in power to stay in power while lowering the IQ of the general populace.

[Forogil]

The people have been send to camp because they did not agree with the people in power. Communism was just an excuse.

Not only.

The communist manifesto was written after the US constitution got checks and balances (however imperfect they are) - and the original leftist revolution had turned into the reign of terror.

Still the communist manifesto called for a violent revolution (spending a lot of time arguing against the moderates) without caring about checks and balances. There was a even a plan that was roughly followed by many communist parties when they took power; which found it more important to seize assets from the ones fleeing than limiting the power of the ones in power.

Communism isn't just an excuse for dictators - communism was constructed to be that excuse.

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Ooh, a soldier with nonviolent pro Communism political views.

The soldier in this thread posed with an image of Che, who practiced violence and opposed nonviolence.

[The One Percent]

Would you be comfortable with an openly Nazi military officer? No? Then you understand why military officers with extreme political leanings is not acceptable.

[stomination]

Which is a gross interpretation of what we want.

Wealth is fine. But people beneath you should not be struggling just to survive and have basics like food, shelter, and healthcare. Most of us liberals just want to raise the bottom. And yes, raising the bottom, means taking some off the top. Someone's gotta be taxed, why not tax those who can afford to be taxed?

I'm not about punishing the rich; I just feel like it makes more sense for them to shoulder a bit more of the burden, because they're the ones who can afford it.

I know some liberals want there to be a limit to how much wealth a person can hoard. I'm not one of those.

This is a normal want. And makes tons of sense.

Sadly we have a % of the left going much further than this just like a % of the right is going way to the right.

[JohnBrown1917]

Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea are basically Communist States. Problem is Commies keep shifting the goal posts, so they don't have to admit how damaging Communism has been and continues to be. Hell, I've even seen Commies try to claim that Stalin was actually far-Right. Commies, by their very nature, are purely disingenuous. They must lie to keep Communism "alive", no matter how many perish. Every time it fails, they just claim it's not "real" Communism. It has always failed and will continue to fail, because it has no basis in reality.

Literally no one is denying that the US has blood on it's hands. Problem for you is, that has nothing to do with Capitalism as a system. That's solely on the out of control Military Industrial Complex, which is an oligarchy. Capitalism isn't exclusive to the US. Maybe you should actually know what you're talking about first, because you just look like a fool making excuses for 100+ million deaths...

I'm using the US because its the biggest example in modern times.
But funny how you excuse the faults of capitalism on 'the military industrial complex'. But communism can be blamed on state communism and its dictators?

Get a grip, both oligarchies/'pure' capitalism and state communism are terrible systems. The military industrial complex is caused by capitalism. State communism enforces the moral views on personal freedoms of its dictator... by killing those who disagree.



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Right, because that's never before been abused by Communist systems. Oh wait, except it has. Every. Single. Time.

You'll get the food you're "entitled" to, if you be a good little worker and pledge yourself to the party...

Im saying food is a right, and now your talking about how its abused by communism? huh?

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At what point, exactly, did it become a right?

I think its a right, feel free to disagree. I don't think people should starve while a tiny few own most of the wealth/resources.

[Deleted]

So kick him out of the army and parachute him into Venezuela or North Korea, where he can live the dream!

[Dystemper]

Communism is a very strong ideal which has been co-opted many times. Venezuela are socialists by the way, not communists, and they were doing great until the oil prices crashed on a global level, not something even the capitalists from Saudi-Arabia had foreseen. And North-Korea calls itself a Democracy.

You could argue that communism can be easily abused under authoritarian regimes, but we don't know what it would be like under a democratic society with other democratic institutions. Western socialism is widely different from South-American or Asian socialism, most often in a sense of being more 'enlightened' with more respect for freedom, democracy and liberty, and in turn some of the western democratic socialist countries are the most successful ones in the world when it comes to happiness, income per citizen, worker rights, education, healthcare, etc.

Socialism/communism has failed every single time it has been implemented. : But guys it was done wrong, We are sure it will work this time promise. " No it wont." Put that man against the wall and shoot him and send his family to the forced labor camps till the denounce him as a enemy of the state."

LOL the lengths communist sympathizers go to and the mental gymnastics to justify communism and socialism.

[Zecora]

Socialism/communism has failed every single time it has been implemented. : But guys it was done wrong, We are sure it will work this time promise. " No it wont." Put that man against the wall and shoot him and send his family to the forced labor camps till the denounce him as a enemy of the state."

Really?

LOL the lengths communist sympathizers go to and the mental gymnastics to justify communism and socialism.

I'd point out that the depth of irony in that statement following your other one, but I'd obviously be wasting my time.

As a general observation though: Those who advocate socialism / communism / etc on these forums, seem to be a lot less zealous about it than those who immediately begin to froth at the mouth from the mere mention of those ideologies.

[Spectral]

Which is a gross interpretation of what we want.

Wealth is fine.

This is not the communist position. Obviously you're not a communist. Both @supertony51 and @10thMountainMan were both referring to what communists want.

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As a general observation though: Those who advocate socialism / communism / etc on these forums, seem to be a lot less zealous about it than those who immediately begin to froth at the mouth from the mere mention of those ideologies.

Likewise, Richard Spencer seems much more mild-mannered and reasonable than people that hate him. As it turns out, promoting democidal ideologies while being polite still pisses people off.

[Deleted]

You can't even compare the two.
One wants to remove the inequality.
The other wants to remove Jews, blacks, etc.

Sometimes i wonder if people have never picked up a book on how bad communism has been for every country where it has been applied.

Inb4 'that wasn't communism'

[Spectral]

You can't even compare the two.
One wants to remove the inequality.
The other wants to remove Jews, blacks, etc.

Saying that communism wants to "remove inequality" is exactly as true as saying that white nationalists just want to promote national racial unity. Euphemistic language for destruction of property rights and enslavement doesn't actually make it cool.

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This is a normal want. And makes tons of sense.

Sadly we have a % of the left going much further than this just like a % of the right is going way to the right.

It's a pretty small percentage in both cases. That small percentage gets a ton of attention, but the reality is that most actual policy arguments in the United States are along the incredibly mild lines of "should top marginal tax rates be 39.6% or 35%?". For all the talk of extremism, there's really nothing on the policy horizon that looks particularly extreme.

[Dystemper]

Really?



I'd point out that the depth of irony in that statement following your other one, but I'd obviously be wasting my time.

As a general observation though: Those who advocate socialism / communism / etc on these forums, seem to be a lot less zealous about it than those who immediately begin to froth at the mouth from the mere mention of those ideologies.

Again, Socialism/communism cost the lives of over 100 million people. Horrible deaths as a direct result of that "ideology" I have seen first hand what communism does to a country. I have family who were forced to flee their homeland and spent time in reeducation camps because of this ideology . You dont know what the fuck you are talking about

[Theinquisition]

Which is a gross interpretation of what we want.

Wealth is fine. But people beneath you should not be struggling just to survive and have basics like food, shelter, and healthcare. Most of us liberals just want to raise the bottom. And yes, raising the bottom, means taking some off the top. Someone's gotta be taxed, why not tax those who can afford to be taxed?

I'm not about punishing the rich; I just feel like it makes more sense for them to shoulder a bit more of the burden, because they're the ones who can afford it.

I know some liberals want there to be a limit to how much wealth a person can hoard. I'm not one of those.

The top 10% already pay 85% of the taxes, while the bottom 30% pay none, how much should their burden be?!

I'm by no means rich, but dude....this is ridiculous.

[The Stormbringer]

Gotta love that moderators can be as biased as Endus is and get away with it.

Yes, there is absolutely something wrong with being a communist, just as there is with being a nazi.

The fact that you think one is ok and the other isn't speaks volumes about your bias and quality as a moderator on a forum with various political persuasions.

As to the OP article, the guy has no place in the US army with his views. To be honest, no modern, educated person has a reason to have such out-dated, hateful views as communism or fascism. Much less in one of the militaries that fought very hard against BOTH vile ideologies.

I know this is a couple days old at this point, but what? How exactly is communism 'hateful'?

Communism is: a political theory leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs

How is that 'hateful'? I'm not a communist, I just don't understand what the hell you're talkin' about, bruh.

The top 10% already pay 85% of the taxes, while the bottom 30% pay none, how much should their burden be?!

I'm by no means rich, but dude....this is ridiculous.

Perhaps because the top ten percent have more than 75-ish% of the wealth?

[Spectral]

The top 10% already pay 85% of the taxes, while the bottom 30% pay none, how much should their burden be?!

I'm by no means rich, but dude....this is ridiculous.

I don't really see the problem there. The bottom 30% basically don't have any spare money. You can't bleed a stone.

I'm generally against budget increases at present, but I also don't really have much of a bleeding heart for high income people complaining about taxes.

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That doesn't seem balanced, considering the top 10% also own 90% of the wealth in the country. Seems their taxes need to be pulled up.

This stat seems like a bit of a butt pull. I can find a few slightly differing numbers, but they all seem to look more or less like this:

That's not 90%.

Also, given that we tax income rather than wealth, the gap is apt to be lower than that for income.