Yeah there are a lot of cool classes from other games which are, historically, "true hybrids", so hard to fit into tank/heal/DPS. That said, Bards are quite easy to fit into heal block when it comes down to it, and I think with three specs it'd be easy to have them as a sort of Arcane-ish healer in one or two of those specs, and an Arcane and/or Physical DPS in the other.
The Iron Horde stuff is goblin stuff though.
Draenei stuff is all magi-tech, so it's a bit different from what tinkers have.
If Blizzard had some way for players to choose the type of tech they wanted to use(not through specs) then that could work. Just like a cosmetic thing or a bunch of glyphs or something like that.
I think it holds due to the fact that many wishes to see Bard as a support spec. Though, as AA did, if at same ideas then you could add them in. But would have to expect a lot of class flavour so people could play music without a fight.
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And you attempted to accuse me of trolling? Have you played a game with a bard class before?
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We don't have useful turrets, currently have one that is more or less junk and the others are gone. We have grenades that are currently junk, we have gun shoes that are more or less just toys. We have minions that are basically junk except for Jeeves and Blingtron 6000 (for now), we don't have healing guns. Oh, and none of them are repeatable once activated in combat. Oh, and engineers don't have battle-mechs, the only useful battle-mechs we've had was stolen from people, as we don't have the ability or given the training to build one that can do more than pick flowers.
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Magi-tech/Crystal-tech/Artificing is another chapter of Tinkering.
Artificers are Draenei and Blood Elves that have used that.
Then we have Dwarves with their steam engines.
Humans and Orcs with war machines and ships.
Gnomes and Goblins with each their own kind, as well as airships, ships, zeppelins, submarines etc.
Forsaken with Alchemy and plague machines.
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http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Bard
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussio...int-of-bard/p2
http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Classes
bard was garbage
thief is where the magic happens
-Proffesional Necromancer-
Humans do have war machines, ordered from the Dwarves or gnomes ^^ .
And yes, their ships are low tech, but the kids gotta start somewhere.
And well, to be honest, Artificer is one culture, apothecary is another and more specific to that of alchemy use and well, the spreading of it. Tinker is a general Gnomish / Goblin class name and was used first by the Goblins, after all (see also).
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Baldur's Gate is a bit far of from the vision of an MMO, though. Bard wasn't the best example there compared to how some were depicted in MMO's. I normally always ended up going with ranger, I think and Paladin.
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Everyone man has their likings, just imagine what a gnome/goblin would call a Bard, then. Audiosymphonizer? (I know the last word is actually a thing but had to sound a bit technical without sounding common).
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um excuse me but baldur's gate existed before any mainstream mmorpg
baldurs gate came a year after ultima online
you keep shooting your self in the foot ffs
the bard in baldur's gate is literally the original
icewind dale and baldurs gate and neverwinter knights were heavily influenced by dungeons and dragons
any bard that isn't a rogue is not a bard
mmo games have fucked shit up
just like blizzard fucked up death knights ruining the necromancer experience
-Proffesional Necromancer-
I don't see the point of a Necromancer. Half of their class fantasy (dark caster) is fulfilled by Warlocks, the other half (Scourge/Unholy themed class) by DKs. Hell UH Death Knights basically are Necromancers with a sword, Aff locks even moreso. We already had enough problems when DHs needed to steal toys from Warlocks in order to be implemented.
Tinkers would be sweet, something new and different. Mail class with a healing spec (shock people back to life for science!), a ranged damage spec (lasers and bombs and rockets oh my), and a third that could really be anything, such as a tank that uses mechanical armor.
Plus it need not be Gnome and Goblin specific, just like Monks aren't Pandas only. Humans, Dwarves, Forsaken, Draenei, BEs, hell even Orcs have all shown an aptitude for machinery to various degrees.
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Ugh, why do you keep doing this bull?
I know when Baldur's Gate was released, YOU were the one who took your bard experience from back then to compare with, and I were the one pointing out that you couldn't really do that and compare it up with how MMO's run today.
More or less, yup. Didn't disagree nor do, on this.
Nope, you are right - in the outdated world of Baldur's Gate. The future lead to the bard being a class of its own in other games.
Depends what shit. RPG's are never meant to be compared with MMORPG's.
Hmm, that is more your own personal opinion. I like my Death Knight really, as well as I like Necromancers in Diablo 2 and 3 - then again, D2 and D3 didn't have Death Knights either, just like WoW doesn't have playable necromancers outside of what has already been granted through the Death Knight.
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(the bolded part) This made me wish for a cattle prod so you could zap (boost people) slacking on the DPS meter.
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Er, no, they are D&D mechanically, not influenced by it. They are implementations of the actual AD&D 2E and D&D 3E rules (with a couple of deviations, but those are smaller than typical "house rules").
Bards in AD&D 2E are a Rogue subclass but in AD&D 1E, they were their own thing, a combination of Fighter, Thief and Druid in one case, and a complete class in another. Tons of other pen and paper RPGs had different bards (Rolemaster, for example, but pretty much all fantasy RPGs do one sooner or later), since long before anyone dreamed of MMOs.
Hell, have you ever heard of one of the most important CRPG series ever? The Bard's Tale series in the early '80s, which had a Bard class which was most assuredly not just "a rogue". In AD&D 2E I played a lot of bards, in the '90s, and they were more a caster (using wizard spells) than anything else, but with thief and fighter elements.
Bards have been a lot of different things - they frequently turn up in JRPGs too.
Nah, they just didn't pick the AD&D 2E Bard as the main source, but bards had been in games a lot longer than that.
Man I am praying you are the world's greatest troll, I really am. Death Knights come from EQ's Shadowknights, so if you're going to blame someone "fucking up the Necromancer experience", blame EQ.
Forgot I had to be so specific with you, current development of games, newer titles, MMO's.
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Please don't project on me, will you? I never claimed you haven't played a game with a bard. I questioned if you had. Not the same.
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We all have to learn and adapt, so it is okay to experience defeat. He still didn't link a source and why he believes the D3 Necromancer was apparently for testing for WoW release - or something like that.
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