Active shooter on Las Vegas strip.

[petej0]

Except that Democrats have repeatedly attempted to start the discussion, only to be shouted down by Republicans, the NRA, and gun-nuts.

Whenever Democrats try to restart the discussion in light of yet another mass shooting, they're demonized as heartless demons playing politics. When they're they only ones actually trying to have a discussion on how to try to prevent another one from happening rather than just offering "thoughts and prayers", which have thus far done a whole lot of fucking nothing.

Yeah, notice it is always in response to some mass shooting. Its a half hearted attempt because they know liberals are gun owners too.

[Deleted]

Subsistence hunting in rural areas. Not everyone lives within walking distance of a supermarket.

How many actually live in an area where the only source of food is hunting? Regardless it's irrelevant because increased gun regulations would still allow people to hunt

[ButterBeast]

And there aren't daily mass shootings either.

there are daily shootings, im sorry but you're just not correct.

[Narwal]

Except that Democrats have repeatedly attempted to start the discussion, only to be shouted down by Republicans, the NRA, and gun-nuts.

Whenever Democrats try to restart the discussion in light of yet another mass shooting, they're demonized as heartless demons playing politics. When they're they only ones actually trying to have a discussion on how to try to prevent another one from happening rather than just offering "thoughts and prayers", which have thus far done a whole lot of fucking nothing.

Democrats are not shouted down, they're shutdown by common sense arguments.

Democrats: we must remove the deadliest weapons, ban assault rifles
Republicans: 99% of gun violence occurs from hand-guns, are you saying you want to ban hand-guns?
Democrats: Touche. I would love to say yes, but politically I can't say I want to take all guns away.
Democrats: We need laws around gun purchases, background checks!.
Republicans: We have laws around gun purchases, background checks are already required.
Democrats: Republicans won't support gun laws!
/end conversation

[Cilraaz]

It would sound just as loud and sound exactly the same with a silencer?

So then what does a silencer do exactly?

A "silencer" does diminish sound, however on many weapons (especially rifles), most of the sound is from the explosion in the chamber. Even with a "silencer", most rifles are not ear safe to the shooter ("ear safe" typically being below 140db). It's not like the movies where you put a silencer on a weapon and can murder people in a crowd without anyone noticing.

[Jester Joe]

Silencers really aren't a problem, though. I don't get the concentration on silencers when they dont make anything deadlier, just quieter. Which makes sense for hunting and keeping your ears form bleeding even through ear protection.

People are going to do bad things with a gun, regardless. Pikcing on a harmless issue like silencers just make anti gun people look silly.

Nothing about them not being a problem now doesn't mean they can't be if stricter laws go out in general. Should we just wait until they've already been used in multiple murders then for them to be considered an "issue", or should we plan ahead? Nothing about that is silly.

[Everwake]

If Sandy Hook didn't move the needle on gun control, nothing will, including this incident.

[petej0]

It would sound just as loud and sound exactly the same with a silencer?

So then what does a silencer do exactly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor

ive tests by independent reviewers of numerous commercially available suppressors find that even low-power, unsuppressed .22 LR handguns produce gunshots over 160 decibels.[40] In testing, most of the suppressors reduced the volume to between 130 and 145 dB, with the quietest suppressors metering at 117 dB. The actual suppression of sound ranged from 14.3 to 43 dB, with most data points around the 30 dB mark[citation needed]. The De Lisle carbine, a British World War II suppressed rifle used in small numbers by Special Forces, was recorded at 85.5 dB in official firing tests.[43]

Comparatively, ear protection commonly used while shooting provides 18 to 32 dB of sound reduction at the ear.[44] Further, chainsaws, rock concerts, rocket engines, pneumatic drills, small firecrackers, and ambulance sirens are rated at 100 to 140 dB.[45]

[Ripster42]

Yeah, let's be realistic.

If you know something can harm your dog, don't bring them with you. Try to work around the dog.

There's no point in ignoring a part just because it didn't come into play this time around.

The realistic part is dealing with the political realities of the situation. People like hunting. People like shooting. Some get silencers to reduce the harm they do to themselves, their pets, and others when they engage in those activities. Those people vote. The NRA exists. The more you fuck with them, the more people are going to vote on their side, especially over spurious shit like silencers, which have a good use. That means you're less likely to maintain any of the laws you passed with regards to gun control. So if you're going to stir people up, get the important stuff done.

If you're buying a box of hornets and shaking it, there's no reason to then open the damn box.

[Deleted]

There's no point in mentioning France, for it doesn't meet the narrative people want to share.

Or that mass shootings are super rare in France? You can't handwave a serious issue away by saying "But it happened in France that time" Nobody is even suggesting mass shootings would end BUT you can sure as hell guarantee it would be less frequent if people pulled their finger out

[Crissi]

Nothing about them not being a problem now doesn't mean they can't be if stricter laws go out in general. Should we just wait until they've already been used in multiple murders then for them to be considered an "issue", or should we plan ahead? Nothing about that is silly.

Only if we ban kitchen knives. "but what if its used in more murders?!" is silly. guns are deadly with or without a silencer, and it doesnt make it completely silent. Making restrictions on silencers wont make guns any safer, and wont make crazy people not kill people.

You need to justify said restrictions with reasonableness, and there is very little reasonableness to a silencer restriciton.

[Deleted]

Democrats are not shouted down, they're shutdown by common sense arguments.

Democrats: we must remove the deadliest weapons, ban assault rifles
Republicans: 99% of gun violence occurs from hand-guns, are you saying you want to ban hand-guns?
Democrats: Touche. I would love to say yes, but politically I can't say I want to take all guns away.
Democrats: We need laws around gun purchases, background checks!.
Republicans: We have laws around gun purchases, background checks are already required.
Democrats: Republicans won't support gun laws!
/end conversation

Your laws aren't working obvious, why?

[Somewhatconcerned]

So has it been verified or denied that this guy converted to Islam a few months ago?

[Crissi]

So has it been verified or denied that this guy converted to Islam a few months ago?

FBI said no links. Just ISIS being an attention whore

[Deleted]

So has it been verified or denied that this guy converted to Islam a few months ago?

What difference would that even make?

[Matchles]

Democrats are not shouted down, they're shutdown by common sense arguments.

Democrats: we must remove the deadliest weapons, ban assault rifles
Republicans: 99% of gun violence occurs from hand-guns, are you saying you want to ban hand-guns?
Democrats: Touche. I would love to say yes, but politically I can't say I want to take all guns away.
Democrats: We need laws around gun purchases, background checks!.
Republicans: We have laws around gun purchases, background checks are already required.
Democrats: Republicans won't support gun laws!
/end conversation

That isn't a common sense argument. And are you being deliberately misleading or do you not know the history of gun regulation in this country? What do you think the Heller case was about? Hint, one of the restrictions was a ban on handguns.

[chazus]

A "silencer" does diminish sound, however on many weapons (especially rifles), most of the sound is from the explosion in the chamber. Even with a "silencer", most rifles are not ear safe to the shooter ("ear safe" typically being below 140db). It's not like the movies where you put a silencer on a weapon and can murder people in a crowd without anyone noticing.

Technically, you can... But we're talking about specific, low velocity, sub-sonic rounds on a specific gun. Like... something out of a movie. I've fired a couple interesting setups where a 9mm basically sounded like snapping your fingers loudly at about 8 feet away.

But that's rarely ever the case, and certainly not for rifles firing larger rounds. You end up with a loud 'clack' instead of a 'bang' but it's still fairly loud and notable. The difference however is in the type of sound it makes. A gun has a pretty distinct sound, and it removes the distinctness.

[aviger]

What difference would that even make?

then they can blame the brown people and completely avoid any responsibility for the culture of firearms and not providing mental healthcare that actually caused this :P

[Jester Joe]

Only if we ban kitchen knives. "but what if its used in more murders?!" is silly. guns are deadly with or without a silencer, and it doesnt make it completely silent. Making restrictions on silencers wont make guns any safer, and wont make crazy people not kill people.

You need to justify said restrictions with reasonableness, and there is very little reasonableness to a silencer restriciton.

Except the situation is already set up. In a loud situation like a concert, it's going to be far harder to notice the silencer.

And that's completely misreading what I said even. I never said "What if it's used in more murders", I said "we shouldn't ignore it UNTIL it's used". And let's not get into the kitchen knife comparison, you know that's now how it works.

[petej0]

Your laws aren't working obvious, why?

Because if you have no criminal record you can purchase a firearm then wake up some day and go on a murder spree without warning. The government doesnt have access to PreCogs like they do in Minority Report.