Active shooter on Las Vegas strip.

[oxymoronic]

Problem with that theory is the unlikely hood of a person going to Vegas with that amount of weapons just for a gambling holiday and being on the right side of the hotel to fire on a large group of people, i don't buy that this was not a planned attack.

to be fair he lives in mesquite which has casinos and is only 80miles or so from the strip. but yeah i dont think his plan was let me bring all the money i own and if i lose im gonna shoot the world up.

[Wiyld]

I'll say it again, ISIS rarely incorrectly claims these attacks. We do not have enough information on the person so you're speculating it can't possibly be related. However for the third time ISIS is not know to claim these attacks when they are not theirs, it has happened before but they are rare.

And you would be wrong AGAIN, they have a very very long track record of claiming anything and everything that happens which might support their agenda. You might want to actually read up on this stuff before saying things like that.

[Bullettime]

Because:
1) sometimes good people turn bad... mental issues, stress, etc.
2) bad people don't follow the law

There is no law that will stop people from doing what they want to do before they do it if they don't even talk about it.

It would just be fantastic to have better mental health screening and less access to firearms for mentally ill people.

That's what the NRA needs to be attacked over and where gun control laws need to target.

[oxymoronic]

Actually, were you aware that a gun in your home is 10x more likely to accidentally go off and kill a child in the home (In 2014, 2,549 children (age 0 to 19 years) died by gunshot and an additional 13,576 were injured. Source:https://injury.research.chop.edu/vio...ence-facts-and) than to be used successfully in home defense (259 in 2012, which is the last data available. Source:http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf)?
Given that particular statistic, are you willing to say that your life and your possessions are 10 more valuable than a child's?

of course how the fuck else is a child to be shot? we dont have gangs running around shooting children. sure it happens stray bullet here and there but cmon that is about the dumbest argument in the world.

[Bullettime]

And you would be wrong AGAIN, they have a very very long track record of claiming anything and everything that happens which might support their agenda. You might want to actually read up on this stuff before saying things like that.

Basically. ISIS just claims every terrorist attack ever was done by them. And if you claim every attack was yours, you're bound to be right some times.

[Acidbaron]

Surely you're joking

I am not, their news agency is not know for sending in fake claims out in the world. I don't recall the exact number or fake to real ratio but it was small enough for me to not write them off at this point.

[Dextroden]

Because:
1) sometimes good people turn bad... mental issues, stress, etc.
2) bad people don't follow the law

There is no law that will stop people from doing what they want to do before they do it if they don't even talk about it.

Plus, didn't he have a clean criminal record which makes it hard to stop the legal purchase of firearms?

[Wiyld]

Problem with that theory is the unlikely hood of a person going to Vegas with that amount of weapons just for a gambling holiday and being on the right side of the hotel to fire on a large group of people, i don't buy that this was not a planned attack.

Oh it was planned ahead of time, my theory still stands. He got in deep with bookies and knows hes dead....he decided to take it out on the 'community' that 'ruined his life'.

[Bullettime]

of course how the fuck else is a child to be shot? wtf kinda argument is that, we dont have gangs running around shooting children. sure it happens stray bullet here and there but cmon that is about the dumbest argument in the world.

Their point is that the firearm in your home is more likely to be used at some point to harm, even accidentally, a family member than to successfully stop a home invader. Not only is the gun more likely to be used there, but using the gun to stop a home invasion is also more likely to end in your own injury.

[oxymoronic]

It would just be fantastic to have better mental health screening and less access to firearms for mentally ill people.

That's what the NRA needs to be attacked over and where gun control laws need to target.

lol what do you guys think mental health screening is?

DO YOU PLAN TO COMMIT A CRIME WITH THESE WEAPONS? - no

ok you're good to go.

be specific, i want to know what kind of screening you want.

[Beazy]

FBI has already stated no links

Im unlikely to believe an attention whore organization over the FBI

There is no way the FBI finished the investigation into this guy in less than 24 hours. I think the FBI is simply stating they have no links to terror or any motive as of yet.

Now, do I think Isis has a hand here? No, the guy committed suicide without martyrdom, he would lose his 50 virgins and his pass to Mohammeds pleasure palace. No way its linked to ISIS IMHO. Maybe Im wrong, but Im not goint to throw around 'for sures' just yet.

[Ripster42]

I'll say it again, ISIS rarely incorrectly claims these attacks. We do not have enough information on the person so you're speculating it can't possibly be related. However for the third time ISIS is not know to claim these attacks when they are not theirs, it has happened before but they are rare.

Uh, as has already been said in this thread, ISIS has regularly claimed attacks they have nothing to do with.

[Daelak]

Because:
1) sometimes good people turn bad... mental issues, stress, etc.
2) bad people don't follow the law

There is no law that will stop people from doing what they want to do before they do it if they don't even talk about it.

Yeah didn't you hear about the acid attack that killed 50 people and wounded 500?

[chase123]

lol at the people desperately trying to link this maniac with ISIS.

[Acidbaron]

And you would be wrong AGAIN, they have a very very long track record of claiming anything and everything that happens which might support their agenda. You might want to actually read up on this stuff before saying things like that.

To be fair they really don't , if they do i would actually like to see some citations and sources on this since everything i have read points into the other direction. Otherwise i would not be making this claim to begin with.

here an article about the misconception that ISIS claims everything. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7701046.html

[Wiyld]

There is no way the FBI finished the investigation into this guy in less than 24 hours. I think the FBI is simply stating they have no links to terror or any motive as of yet.

Now, do I think Isis has a hand here? No, the guy committed suicide without martyrdom, he would lose his 50 virgins and his pass to Mohammeds pleasure palace. No way its linked to ISIS IMHO. Maybe Im wrong, but Im not goint to throw around 'for sures' just yet.

Right, i won't say anything for sure, but despite some folks desprate desire to connect this to ISIS I'm fairly confident there is no connection.

FBI can't have concluded an investigation into any part of this yet, but they CAN take a quick look at his electronic communications and see nothing relevant. I don't believe this guy had the capacity to learn how to communicate internationally without leaving a trail.

I doubt he is the type to even know what a VPN is.

[Daelak]

Part of the issue is that audio in the strip behaves VERY strangely. I've worked in a number of hotels and things can be heard from far away in strange ways that are in opposite directions. I Wouldn't be surprised if people are reporting stuff not understanding what they're hearing.

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A gun ban will do absolutely nothing for things like this, as the weapon they're using is already illegal to have.

It was an altered semi-auto.

[Acidbaron]

There is no way the FBI finished the investigation into this guy in less than 24 hours. I think the FBI is simply stating they have no links to terror or any motive as of yet.

Now, do I think Isis has a hand here? No, the guy committed suicide without martyrdom, he would lose his 50 virgins and his pass to Mohammeds pleasure palace. No way its linked to ISIS IMHO. Maybe Im wrong, but Im not goint to throw around 'for sures' just yet.

I keep it in the realm of possibilities and yes the suicide claim, not sure if that's confirmed or not yet would be against the usual method.

[Deleted]

lol at the people desperately trying to link this maniac with ISIS.

Absolutely. Pretty obvious by his targets where his motivations lie.

[oxymoronic]

Oh it was planned ahead of time, my theory still stands. He got in deep with bookies and knows hes dead....he decided to take it out on the 'community' that 'ruined his life'.

but the community he took it out on was some random texas fucking cowboys, not even many vegas residents go to this types of concerts although some day, but mostly tourist.