Why do people say Trump isn't anti-LGBT+

[Felya]

If BLM decides to stage the shutdown of an interstate, and a member of BLM disapproves of that strategy, vocally... is that person anti-BLM?

Yes, that person disapproving of that strategy, would indeed be anti-BLM in that instance.

[Elbob]

Lol... do we really pay for dudes to get boners in the military and people are complaining about trans people getting treatment? Its almost like their complaints aren't really about the spending and more about just fucking over trans people instead.

like 90% of those prescriptions are for people no longer on active duty. Cause the military provides insurance.

[Egomaniac]

I'm not saying it does. His campaign promise for lgbt is lip service as is the trans ban in the military.

Except Trump has gone farther than lip service when it comes to his transgender ban

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1B52T8

- U.S. President Donald Trump signed a memorandum on Friday that directs the U.S. military not to accept transgender men and women as recruits and halts the use of government funds for sex-reassignment surgeries for active personnel unless the process is already underway.

[Felya]

Pretty sure someone who is "against LGBT+" wouldn't be proudly holding their flag of acceptance

Also, if that wasn't enough, hes come out multiple times saying he supports the LBGT community.

That look on his face, should be used to teach autistic kids the facial expression of someone thinking you are an idiot.

[Machismo]

Conservatives as a whole or a portion of conservatives? I can call Barry Goldwater conservative and pro supporter of gay rights. Bush sr too or does that make them moderate? Their will always be groups with different views and I personally don’t care because it’s a choice and free will. Trump as president had to make choice and went with it to keep some of his supporters. As any president does. Secondly every progress made has a step back that’s the consequence of living in a free society. You don’t dictate what the few want for the masses. You let people have the choice to determine how things operate and you have to work within that parameter.

Well, Barry Goldwater has been dead for 20 years...

As a whole, conservatives oppose gay rights. This isn't really that big of an unknown.

http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/c...-gay-marriage/



Trump, as President, made a choice., His choice was to limit and restrict the freedoms of LGBT people. That contradicts anyone who claims he's not anti-LGBT. As for Trump, it's not really just a matter of "choice or free will" since his actions limited the choice and free will of others. Also, he didn't have to make the choice, he chose to do it, willingly. He even went above and beyond what his advisers were even discussing.

I find it funny that you say that it's the consequences of living in a free society, wince society is now less free because of it. That's like liberals banning guns, and telling conservatives... "That's what you get in a free society." It makes no sense.

[JohnBrown1917]

Why is being anti LGBT something bad?

In politics?
Are you serious?

[Wolfie of Medivh]

I'm not sure that topic is allowed here, but just wanted to point out, you are making the same mistake people make about gay behavior:

Being gay isn't a choice
Having gay sex IS a choice

Being trans isn't a choice
Having sex reassignment surgery IS a choice

Cis* people are so hung up on the damn surgery. You know, most trans people don't call it "Sex Reassignment". We call it "Gender Affirmation." As in "Yeah, this is just one last step to make everything solid." It doesn't change who we are. Plenty of trans people never have GA because they don't need it or want it. THey're happy with some other combinations of treatment - usually Hormone Replacement Therapy and cosmetic surgery with social transition.

I wish trans people weren't included in LGBT, I don't mind gay people...trans disgust me.

Well, we probably would dislike you because you seem to be a jackarse.

Here's the basics folks: No one asks to be trans - but we are. Trying to hide it and dealing with it when we stop hiding is what causes those insane, morbid levels of depression and suicide. When we are accepted, trans people are no more likely than anyone else to be depressed or have suicide ideation. Gender dysphoria is what we feel when the brain doesn't jive with the rest of the being. The treatment for dysphoria is transition. Make the body match the mind. This is diffrent for every trans person. We don't want to make you feel bad. We don't hate cis* people. We just don't want to be hurt. That is it. If that's so disgusting, I really can't help you.

*Cis is not an insult. It's just the opposite of Trans. They use the same terms in biology and chemistry.

[Masoner]

Approving a Transgender ban is supporting LGBT+? iNTERESTING LOGIC

Our military is not a social experiment. Trans people have a crazy high % of suicides too.

[Orange Joe]

I thought the military transgender ban was moreso for logistics. Hormone suppliments aren't really a warzone priority over food or injury treatment equipment.

There was 0 input from the military on this.

[Wolfie of Medivh]

Our military is not a social experiment. Trans people have a crazy high % of suicides too.

Admiral Fitzwallace, if you please....

[Kujako]

He loves transgendered folk SO MUCH that he doesn't want them to go off to war and get hurt!

[unfilteredJW]

Adam, I consider myself an ally but now is not the time to be divisive. With the mass shooting and the looming potential of a nuclear war on more than one front there are more pressing issues thank trans bans. Can we have one week where the LGBT doesn't act like some victim support group.

I see you continue to lower and lower the bar.

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I wish trans people weren't included in LGBT, I don't mind gay people...trans disgust me.

You remove Kaori from you avatar if you are going to vomit shit like this out.

[Orbitus]

Yeah, battlefield priorities should include getting someone their daily hormone cocktail and counseling

But they certainly need that Viagra, since they spend more on viagra than they do hormone suppliments.

[Zantos]

But they certainly need that Viagra, since they spend more on viagra than they do hormone suppliments.

Its already been stated. That is Not direct military spending. That is the health insurance they provide. As its mostly vets and retired personal, which accounts for over 90%.

People stating that are just those who have no real argument, so they zero in on some meaningless number that has no real relevance to the topic at hand.

Even IF we ignore the Facts concerning the spending on one supplement, Transgender people typically have depression or anxiety. With them being 9 times more likely to try to kill themselves. Only question is, would they do it at base or in the field, potentially getting others killed with them. Having someone who is depressed and trying to kill themselves on the front lines is bad. So of course Trans would be barred since they are Proven to be more prone to those tings.

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Why are the tax payers paying for anyone to get boners period? I mean, shouldn't conservatives be outraged tax payer money is going to some dudes getting laid?

Because health insurance is a right they earned when they served in the armed forces.

[Grapemask]

Its already been stated. That is Not direct military spending. That is the health insurance they provide. As its mostly vets and retired personal, which accounts for over 90%.

People stating that are just those who have no real argument, so they zero in on some meaningless number that has no real relevance to the topic at hand.

Even IF we ignore the Facts concerning the spending on one supplement, Transgender people typically have depression or anxiety. With them being 9 times more likely to try to kill themselves. Only question is, would they do it at base or in the field, potentially getting others killed with them. Having someone who is depressed and trying to kill themselves on the front lines is bad. So of course Trans would be barred since they are Proven to be more prone to those tings.

This is crazy talk on an order of crazy that most people thought ended in the 19th century.

To the topic in general, if you ever want a glimpse into the lunacy that is a Trump supporter, just look at those that actually believe Trump supports gays or the broader group of LGBT. It takes a certain amount of broken wiring to watch the man again and again work directly against a group, but say that he is for them because he says that he is. If you believe that, you must believe me when I say that I am the smartest, richest, most talented, most attractive, and most accomplished man alive, because any evidence you may find to the contrary must buckle to the fact that I said it, so it must be true.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

rainbow people shouldnt get rights

[Wolfie of Medivh]

Its already been stated. That is Not direct military spending. That is the health insurance they provide. As its mostly vets and retired personal, which accounts for over 90%.

People stating that are just those who have no real argument, so they zero in on some meaningless number that has no real relevance to the topic at hand.

Even IF we ignore the Facts concerning the spending on one supplement, Transgender people typically have depression or anxiety. With them being 9 times more likely to try to kill themselves. Only question is, would they do it at base or in the field, potentially getting others killed with them. Having someone who is depressed and trying to kill themselves on the front lines is bad. So of course Trans would be barred since they are Proven to be more prone to those tings.

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Because health insurance is a right they earned when they served in the armed forces.

And those trans vets who have likewise earned it shouldn't get that same courtesy?

Most of the spending for trans soldiers is post-service, just like who's using most of the ED treatments.

And again, they're not trans thus depressed and anxious, they're treated like crap and thus become depressed and anxious. One of the biggest issues is the availability of care - it is why many trans people have joined the military. (Unrelated, it also is silly common that prior to coming out, trans women try to hyper-masculinize, to hide their real feelings, and many become very proficient soldiers.)

Can you show me any proof that trans soldiers, in active service, have worst outcomes, have any sort of direct detrimental impact to military readiness?

Can you explain how many of our allies have had Trans personal for years, with no significant changes to readiness?

You can't. You can't use trans people as a whole to describe trans soldiers, any more than you can use the general population to speak to the the readiness of our military. You shift the goal posts so much you might as well mount them in a F150.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

True but hormones very from person to person. A generic or imprecise dosage could cause more damage than help. Having specialized medicine on a per person basis isn't really viable when you compare it to drugs used on the field.

Mood altering drugs are grounds for disqualification/discharge as is.

Seriously, this is an argument?

As someone on this "hormone cocktail" my first year was a check up every three months, my second is now one every six. Being on spirnolactone and estradiol pills (both on Wal-mart's $4 list, btw, and max dose is all of $32 a month) and then on injectable estradiol I can safely say that missed doses aren't a big deal. Let's go hardcore and go with estradiol valerate, the most common form of injectable estrogen. Just last week I decided to move my injection from Wednesday to Sunday for convenience sake.

So, I went a week-and-a-half without an injection prescribed for once a week. Know what happened to me? Nothing. I didn't die, I didn't stress (and I have a stressful job), and I didn't "jones" for that shot.

Likewise, I've missed plenty of spiro doses. No negative side effects for a missed dose.

Seriously, the pre-conceptions regarding HRT are HILARIOUS. It's almost like you have no clue as to what you're talking about.

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Our military is not a social experiment. Trans people have a crazy high % of suicides too.

Only until transition. Trans women serve at a super high rate, play acting as men. You're not excluding them since you're just driving them underground. You're denying them treatment that dramatically lowers that rate (see Murad, 2011).

[Zantos]

This is crazy talk on an order of crazy that most people thought ended in the 19th century.

How is it crazy talk? Its researched facts that have been proven by medical professionals.

[Wolfie of Medivh]

Likewise, I've missed plenty of spiro doses. No negative side effects for a missed dose.

Seriously, the pre-conceptions regarding HRT are HILARIOUS. It's almost like you have no clue as to what you're talking about.

It's almost like they're lying about something. But they wouldn't do that, would they, lie to prove a point they can't justify? Not the Conservatives I know!

oh, wait....

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How is it crazy talk? Its researched facts that have been proven by medical professionals.

Then you'll have little problem providing said outcomes? Peer reviewed, of course?

/cough cough
Bullshit
//cough cough