Legion - Assassination Discussion

[omeomorfismo]

omg omg omg, that 4p is insane, probably is even better that venom rush *-*

[Deleted]

omg omg omg, that 4p is insane, probably is even better that venom rush *-*

Let's hope it stays as is. I am sure it is still being tested.

[omeomorfismo]

Let's hope it stays as is. I am sure it is still being tested.

until is at least 2 energy then is good. with my actual gear should be more or less 2.8 energy/sec (so 5.6 with 4 energy *-*)

[Akachan]

Does that change bring us closer to the middle of the pack? Or do they still have more work to do in that regard?

[Deleted]

The bonus was worse than T20 2P in terms of energy before. T20 2P gives poison rogues about 85 EPM (3.4 avg garrote casts per minute for 20 energy instead of 45) and the T21 4P gave about 55 before this buff. Does the refund work with the dot component of DP in this build? It was changed back and forth on the PTR. If it procs for both components this means about ~45 procs * 4 energy = ~220 EPM (depending on gear).

We have to keep in mind to compare this bonus with T20 2P, because 2P will get nerfed for sure.

Edit: Numbers were aquired using the default poison profile with forced T21 bonuses. Not highly accurate, but better than feelycrafting. Note: 4P isn't correctly implemented, but 2P is and 4P can easily be calculated from there using the report ability tables.

[Deleted]

I don't think there are any viable simulations. Additionaly it has be looked at in the context of concrete encounters in the new tier.

[Varolyn]

From just playing around on the ptr, you won't really feel the loss of 2 piece t20 at all. It makes pooling extremely easy, and honestly, there weren't many moments where I felt starved. Of course this is just me wacking on a dummy on the ptr, but the spec does play quite nicely with those frequent energy spikes.

Also, unlike t20, these set bonuses appear to scale with gear. Crit, mastery, and I even think haste will gain some value from these bonuses.

[dreaderus]

AoE sucks unless if you get poison bomb procs.

I think it would be cool if poison bomb when proced could be stored then used on demand with a cooldown after use. thoughts?

[Varolyn]

The bonus was worse than T20 2P in terms of energy before. T20 2P gives poison rogues about 85 EPM (3.4 avg garrote casts per minute for 20 energy instead of 45) and the T21 4P gave about 55 before this buff. Does the refund work with the dot component of DP in this build? It was changed back and forth on the PTR. If it procs for both components this means about ~45 procs * 4 energy = ~220 EPM (depending on gear).

We have to keep in mind to compare this bonus with T20 2P, because 2P will get nerfed for sure.

Edit: Numbers were aquired using the default poison profile with forced T21 bonuses. Not highly accurate, but better than feelycrafting. Note: 4P isn't correctly implemented, but 2P is and 4P can easily be calculated from there using the report ability tables.

According to skada, it appears that it procs from both the dot and the instant poison component. In order to make sure of this, I threw a poison knife at a dummy, drained my energy to nearly zero, and vanished with the shoulders on. From that, I saw that each DP critical tick gave additional energy.

[Verdugo]

I think it would be cool if poison bomb when proced could be stored then used on demand with a cooldown after use. thoughts?

Stop making sense.

[Feali]

I think it would be cool if poison bomb when proced could be stored then used on demand with a cooldown after use. thoughts?

You like control over your dps? HAHA

[Greylan]

I think it would be cool if poison bomb when proced could be stored then used on demand with a cooldown after use. thoughts?

Get outta here with all that sense making.

[Eazy]

I think it would be cool if poison bomb when proced could be stored then used on demand with a cooldown after use. thoughts?

Silly, you want a stable DPS for Assa?

[Deleted]

Is there any suggestion to what Tier pieces we gonna use in AtbT, in regards to 4pT21 and 2pT20?

[elfporn]

Is there any suggestion to what Tier pieces we gonna use in AtbT, in regards to 4pT21 and 2pT20?

Very likely going to use both tier sets with boots/bracers

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Very likely going to use both tier sets with boots/bracers

yeah, I asked the wrong question I guess ^^. I was more keen to know wich parts of the Tier pieces we gonna use (pls dont say sim it ...).
Just from loking at the stats I would suggest: head, schoulders, back and pants from tier 21 and chest and gloves from t20. What do you think. Also feelscraft or has someone actually done the math? (I know the REAL math beginns after the tuning they likley gonna do after the first mythic week).

[elfporn]

yeah, I asked the wrong question I guess ^^. I was more keen to know wich parts of the Tier pieces we gonna use (pls dont say sim it ...).
Just from loking at the stats I would suggest: head, schoulders, back and pants from tier 21 and chest and gloves from t20. What do you think. Also feelscraft or has someone actually done the math? (I know the REAL math beginns after the tuning they likley gonna do after the first mythic week).

I havn't looked at them - we're likely going to super emphasize crit with the 4p set bonus, followed closely by mastery.

I'm already amassing crit heavy mastery gear

[Deleted]

I think it would be cool if poison bomb when proced could be stored then used on demand with a cooldown after use. thoughts?

they would nerf poison bomb to the ground then, i mean if you could use it on demand it would never ever do that amount of damage.

[ymirsson]

yeah, I asked the wrong question I guess ^^. I was more keen to know wich parts of the Tier pieces we gonna use (pls dont say sim it ...).
Just from loking at the stats I would suggest: head, schoulders, back and pants from tier 21 and chest and gloves from t20. What do you think. Also feelscraft or has someone actually done the math? (I know the REAL math beginns after the tuning they likley gonna do after the first mythic week).

Why not sim it? Isnt that the correct way to determine such things? Is there any relevance for pre release feelcraft?

[RobertoCarlos]

Why not sim it? Isnt that the correct way to determine such things? Is there any relevance for pre release feelcraft?

Because maybe WoW is also an RPG and people like that kinda stuff? Figuring out what kind of build/stats they want to go, rather than hitting sim on a character sheet and copying a BiS collection list like everyone else does without even thinking about it.