Why do Warriors do more DPS than Rogues?

[Lionpaw]

I know that there have been instances when Rogues shined, but they were always short-lived... for the most part, from TBC to present, Warriors usually do more DPS than Rogues by the final tier.

Why is that even a thing?

[Bigbazz]

Busy doing presidential work such as campaigning for 2020, but took a moment to analyze final tiers:

https://imgur.com/gallery/syS5Q

In the thirteen years of Warcraft, Warriors have only beaten Rogues one single* time in regards to damage done. Uses WoWJamaica is Fake News!

That's not exactly conclusive evidence of anything though, just one parse from each expansion? In TBC the Warrior there would have been Arms (while Fury did considerably more dps) for Blood Frenzy debuff, and that Arms Warrior would not likely have been given group priority either. Pre WOTLK group setup was everything in WoW. In Vanilla/TBC/WOTLK high end gear Fury Warriors demolished Rogues on sustained cleave (rogues could only keep up during Blade Flurry) while having comparable single target if opportunities were equal, with Rogues only advantage pre WOTLK really being threat management (which is still a considerable advantage to have on some fights for sure).

If you look at the Legacy logs websites for the private servers you see a much higher level of min-maxing going on than back in the days, because of much better access to information and extended more developed theorycrafting (looking at Elitist Jerks snapshots from 2008 and you see a lot of stuff was still unknown and theorycrafting unfinished even at the end of TBC), and you can see that if Naxx had been around for longer and more BIS level Fury Warriors had started cropping up you would have seen completely ludicrous numbers, like Warriors at 60 doing more dps than say T5 Warriors were doing in TBC.. And lets not forget that during TBC Rogues didn't really come into their own until T6, for T4 and T5 melee wasn't great to begin with but Rogues were actually pretty weak up until close to T5 BIS levels of gear, while also bringing nothing to a raid.

As to why Warriors are beating Rogues though, it's simply because we are better players after all.

[Lionpaw]

Busy doing presidential work such as campaigning for 2020, but took a moment to analyze final tiers:

https://imgur.com/gallery/syS5Q

In the thirteen years of Warcraft, Warriors have only beaten Rogues one single* time in regards to damage done. Uses WoWJamaica is Fake News!

... I can go all the way back if you like... but let's just go back like this:

Current Tier


Blackrock Foundry


Highmaul

[Divinexve]

... I can go all the way back if you like... but let's just go back like this:

Current Tier


Blackrock Foundry


Highmaul

Do you have the same list for HFC? Im pretty sure they were near the top.

[Radaney]

Rogues have been the best hardcore raiding melee dps in the game for the entire games existence due to their survivability so this thread is extremely pointless.

Their DPS is irrelevant because they simply don't die and most of the time they are self-sufficient just like in Siege of Orgrimmar where you didn't even need to heal them.

[Feali]

Why do Mages do more damage?
Why do Druids do more damage?

Why does x do n more damage than y?

This is applicable to every class and it will never be different.

[Bigbazz]

This thread needs some Nostaglia



Yes I know it's a gimmick, a bit of fun all the same.

Do you have the same list for HFC? Im pretty sure they were near the top.

Rogues were godly in a different league in HFC, Warriors had Bladestorm AOE burst gimmick and Arms cleave sweeping strikes gimmick but both specs were pretty horrible on single target while rogue was the only melee that could really compare with Mages/Locks.

[hellhamster]

... I can go all the way back if you like... but let's just go back like this:

Current Tier


Blackrock Foundry


Highmaul

Could be worse, OP could be a fucking frost dk, imagine the tears then.

[Deleted]

Their DPS is irrelevant [..]

That is wrong and you know that. Why do you say things you know to be wrong? They can take all the deff abilities for all I care. I play rogue for the dps, but right now, dps does not feel all that good. In the Q&A they even said they dont want to balance anything for Antorus opening. Might be I will ditch rogue for good then. Let the soaking be done by some rogue reroller who thinks its fun to be the raid's sponge.

[shaunika123]

simple explanation
they scale better

a more complex explanation
due to us being able to skip and ignore so many mechanics, if our dps just standing still was ahead of everyone else, noone would bring anything but rogues to raids (which was the case at the start of ToS, then we got nerfed)

we've got insane utility, and at least a couple of us is usually invaluable in raids, we dont NEED to be the best dps out there, we're still okay.

[RobertoCarlos]

Their DPS is irrelevant because they simply don't die and most of the time they are self-sufficient just like in Siege of Orgrimmar where you didn't even need to heal them.

You are right their dps is irrelevant in Siege when everyone took mages and warlocks to abuse ranged stacking in groups for garrosh.

[Twix]

Could be worse, OP could be a fucking frost dk, imagine the tears then.

why would anyone play frost DK?

[hellhamster]

why would anyone play frost DK?

F-frostmourne? S-sindragosa?

[slime]

That's not exactly conclusive evidence of anything though, just one parse from each expansion? In TBC the Warrior there would have been Arms (while Fury did considerably more dps) for Blood Frenzy debuff, and that Arms Warrior would not likely have been given group priority either. Pre WOTLK group setup was everything in WoW. In Vanilla/TBC/WOTLK high end gear Fury Warriors demolished Rogues on sustained cleave (rogues could only keep up during Blade Flurry) while having comparable single target if opportunities were equal, with Rogues only advantage pre WOTLK really being threat management (which is still a considerable advantage to have on some fights for sure).

If you look at the Legacy logs websites for the private servers you see a much higher level of min-maxing going on than back in the days, because of much better access to information and extended more developed theorycrafting (looking at Elitist Jerks snapshots from 2008 and you see a lot of stuff was still unknown and theorycrafting unfinished even at the end of TBC), and you can see that if Naxx had been around for longer and more BIS level Fury Warriors had started cropping up you would have seen completely ludicrous numbers, like Warriors at 60 doing more dps than say T5 Warriors were doing in TBC.. And lets not forget that during TBC Rogues didn't really come into their own until T6, for T4 and T5 melee wasn't great to begin with but Rogues were actually pretty weak up until close to T5 BIS levels of gear, while also bringing nothing to a raid.

As to why Warriors are beating Rogues though, it's simply because we are better players after all.

contradicted by the fact you chose to play warriors.

[Deleted]

Because rogues can soak stuff

/s

[Aggrophobic]

I know that there have been instances when Rogues shined, but they were always short-lived... for the most part, from TBC to present, Warriors usually do more DPS than Rogues by the final tier.

Why is that even a thing?

I hope you do get that rogues are by far the most valuable class in this tier, by far.
They are next to OP.

[Uncle]

Because of the name? WARRIOR, mean war fighter, trained and experienced, unlike rogue who are not trained, not experimented, and not geared.
Because warriors use big weapons who does more damage.

[Coldkil]

Ok, this thread isn't going really far and has basically no discussion in it. Closing.