Un'goro and Gadgetzan Get Hearthstone-Based Upgrades!

[Blamblam41]

it's sad to see how little respect players have for azeroth

It's sad to see how little creativity so called 'fans' have for their fantasy game.

[Servasus]

Though I actually think based on the Silithus datamine that something close to this will actually end up happening, I don't think it's going to end well. Apparently we haven't learned our lesson from Cataclysm. The revamp of the old zones wasted so much dev time that the content that actually mattered was ignored or weak. Even with the world quest system, I just don't think that revamping old zones is going to feel NEW enough to keep people engaged. I'd much rather explore places I have never been before and aesthetics I have never seen, not the same places with a "fresh" coat of paint. Changing a jungle zone to a lava zone or flooding a dry zone is not enough in my opinion. Unless these zones are literally built from the ground up in every single way possible, they are going to turn out just as lame as the Cataclysm revamps.

[8bithamster]

And that's bad? Tanaris is a nothing zone now. We have like seven desert-esqe zones not counting the savanna-esqe ones. Turning it into a zone-sized city would at least make it different and unique from literally every other questing zone in the game.

Obviously, I mean look at Suramar... half a zone for a city could never wo... ow wait

I really hope that Un'goro and tanaris get an update sometime, Thousand Needles became amazing, and then the 3 southern zones (Tanaris, Crater + Silithus) are borefests

[digichi]

hey... i really like old tanaris. i still go there to stock up on noggenfogger and dance around like a low poly skeleton for a few days.

that being said, i dont want them to retouch old zones but instead take ideas like these insane new dragon-saur type creaturemabobs and put them into a new zone. You know what i'm still waitin for? Fuckin dragon isles. An island FULL of dragons/devilsaurs/carnivorous creatures? sign me up. i didnt stock up a dinosaur figurine collection through the ages 4-8 fo no reason. think off all the children/former children who would have a twinkle in their eye when they see that place. make us proud blizzard. make us proud...

as for a ganster gadgetzan... we already got a semi-vampire-halloween movie from the worgen starting area back in cata / city lyf with the goblin zone too.. if they can make it work.. sure why not.

[Soulwind]

video games equally deserve to be preserved regardless of gameplay elements because it is also a manifestation of our creativity which include art style, music, architecture, a virtual world is even more than that. preserving is important. it gets "updated", but adding is a completely different thing than changing. there is ways with today's technology to preserve old zones while trying to address some timelines elements which seem to bother some players

This is absurd. Do you consider patches disrespectful? Because those change the way some things were. Is, for example, making the Nomi recipes easier to obtain disrespectful to the players who got them through hard earned RNG? Are bug fixes disrespectful for players who suffered (or benefited) from said bugs? Is class balance disrespectful?

Not everything is perfect and can't or shouldn't be improved. And, to be blunty honest, it's not your call or mine, it's Blizzard's. If they say "to hell with this zone, we're making it from scratch", it's their time and resources they're spending doing what they think is best for their game, and it's their original content they're throwing away.

They made these new concepts of Un'goro and Gadgetzan for Hearthstone, and they could very easily be planning on applying them to WoW eventually. But since they know the players, and have the technology to do so, it's also likely they'd put a bronze dragon that could phase you into the old zone at any time, that way they don't have to mess with achievements or deal with the complaints of people who would perhaps be happier living in an Amish settlement.

[Deleted]

OP why do you need to swear so much to try and get your point across?

Stops me reading your post properly.

[Soulwind]

OP why do you need to swear so much to try and get your point across?

Stops me reading your post properly.

Read it as a parody of an infomercial.

Now add a goblin voice.

[Lochton]

Sadly It wouldn't really work unless the entire zones were remade from scratch. Un'goro is too poor resolution, too small and too flat for any redesign to look any good, and the new Gadgetzan would fill nearly half the zone of Tanaris.

We need Wow 2 for this.

Nah, we don't need WoW2 for a Tanaris change. It is a zone that is basically controlled by the Goblins and Gnomes, and it is just about creating a city there, which is it. If it fills a lot, well, it is expected.

[Cæli]

This is absurd. Do you consider patches disrespectful? Because those change the way some things were. Is, for example, making the Nomi recipes easier to obtain disrespectful to the players who got them through hard earned RNG? Are bug fixes disrespectful for players who suffered (or benefited) from said bugs? Is class balance disrespectful?

Not everything is perfect and can't or shouldn't be improved. And, to be blunty honest, it's not your call or mine, it's Blizzard's. If they say "to hell with this zone, we're making it from scratch", it's their time and resources they're spending doing what they think is best for their game, and it's their original content they're throwing away.

They made these new concepts of Un'goro and Gadgetzan for Hearthstone, and they could very easily be planning on applying them to WoW eventually. But since they know the players, and have the technology to do so, it's also likely they'd put a bronze dragon that could phase you into the old zone at any time, that way they don't have to mess with achievements or deal with the complaints of people who would perhaps be happier living in an Amish settlement.

not really absurd. patches are adding, adding is not changing. there's no art or music in nomi recipes, it's a gameplay element, you're mixing the bones with the flesh, please re read

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It's sad to see how little creativity so called 'fans' have for their fantasy game.

blizzard creates the game, not the players, players as individual can create unique things their own mind tells them to

[Soulwind]

not really absurd. patches are adding, adding is not changing. there's no art or music in nomi recipes, it's a gameplay element, you're mixing the bones with the flesh, please re read

7.3, Argus appears on the sky. Certainly that changes the way the sky looks. Is it disrespectful? It's probably going to be removed in 8.0, too. That's disrespecting the disrespect!

7.3.2 (.5?), Silithus becomes a scar. Disrespectful?

6.0, the Iron Horde invades the Blased Lands. Disrespectful?

5.3, the Vale of Eternal Sorrows. Disrespectful?

4.0. Disrespectful?

If nothing can ever change for the sake of storytelling, then there's no storytelling. WoW isn't a photograph of an instant (even though zones are for the most part stuck in time), it's an evolving story. Even the Simpsons introduce or kill a character every once in a while.

It's called a persistent world not because it's always the same, but because its changes are permanent. You don't join a match, blow a building up and have it rebuilt for the next match, you join the game and watch it change with time, and your character's actions are often the reason those changes happen.

[Cæli]

7.3, Argus appears on the sky. Certainly that changes the way the sky looks. Is it disrespectful? It's probably going to be removed in 8.0, too. That's disrespecting the disrespect!

7.3.2 (.5?), Silithus becomes a scar. Disrespectful?

6.0, the Iron Horde invades the Blased Lands. Disrespectful?

5.3, the Vale of Eternal Sorrows. Disrespectful?

4.0. Disrespectful?

If nothing can ever change for the sake of storytelling, then there's no storytelling. WoW isn't a photograph of an instant (even though zones are for the most part stuck in time), it's an evolving story. Even the Simpsons introduce or kill a character every once in a while.

It's called a persistent world not because it's always the same, but because its changes are permanent. You don't join a match, blow a building up and have it rebuilt for the next match, you join the game and watch it change with time, and your character's actions are often the reason those changes happen.

for argus it will probably gets removed so no, silithus will be phased so no, blasted lands is phased so no, vale of eternal sorrows was a disappointment for some, 4.0 was a total screw up, a lot of players now miss the old zones I don't think it started as a lack of respect from blizzard, rather a total lack of care of their own work.

the story has nothing to do with the work done to be preserved. preservation is important even in an mmo, wow is a special game, while we could be used to not caring about that in other mmos, it's because their quality was not high enough to raise the question, above everything mmos are video games

[Chapeau Du Canard]

I just wanted to jump in with 2 quick things:

1) 7.1 introduced a legacy achievement for getting Sul'Thraze the Lasher out of Zul'Farrak. It has since been removed, but that's an indication that SOMETHING is going to happen in Tanaris.

2) If we are looking down the barrel of a South Seas expansion, what could be a better capitol than the South-Eastern-most city on Kalimdor?


at this point, my money's with OP...

[Cæli]

I just wanted to jump in with 2 quick things:

1) 7.1 introduced a legacy achievement for getting Sul'Thraze the Lasher out of Zul'Farrak. It has since been removed, but that's an indication that SOMETHING is going to happen in Tanaris.

2) If we are looking down the barrel of a South Seas expansion, what could be a better capitol than the South-Eastern-most city on Kalimdor?


at this point, my money's with OP...

Sul'thraze the Lasher achi got completely wiped from the game it seems, it has not just been made unavailable, would mean there were probably a technical issue or a design problem tied with this, reminds me of the old plant and zombie feat of strength they completely wiped too

[Aaronioslo]

for argus it will probably gets removed so no, silithus will be phased so no, blasted lands is phased so no, vale of eternal sorrows was a disappointment for some, 4.0 was a total screw up, a lot of players now miss the old zones I don't think it started as a lack of respect from blizzard, rather a total lack of care of their own work.

the story has nothing to do with the work done to be preserved. preservation is important even in an mmo, wow is a special game, while we could be used to not caring about that in other mmos, it's because their quality was not high enough to raise the question, above everything mmos are video games

where are these LOTs of players, please don't represent anyone other than yourself.

you'd like your children and pets to grow and develop, not to be preserved in stasis

different from historical stuff, whose creators are gone and should be preserved out of respect, WOW is still a living world( at least for now), so your obsession with preservation is absurd.

[Cæli]

where are these LOT*of players, please don't represent anyone other than yourself.

you d like you children and pets to grow and develope, not to be preserved in stasis

there is no legitimate reasons to be against preservation in this case, preservation is something us humans like to do as proven by the existence of the term that was needed to describe it.
living beings are not to be compared with some artistic/entertaining man made creations
wow is historical and the presence of the creator or not doesn't determine whether or not something should be preserved, it's tied to the quality of the work. a "living world" doesn't mean it shouldn't be preserved

[Soulwind]

there is no legitimate reasons to be against preservation in this case, preservation is something us humans like to do as proven by the existence of the term that was needed to describe it.
living beings are not to be compared with some artistic/entertaining man made creations

Man, you must hate the Falles. They spend a year making these beautiful, often satirical statues called ninots and then they burn them all. And people love being able to see something that won't ever exist again for a short period of time. Which is, indeed, like life.

[Serissa]

And that's bad? Tanaris is a nothing zone now. We have like seven desert-esqe zones not counting the savanna-esqe ones. Turning it into a zone-sized city would at least make it different and unique from literally every other questing zone in the game.

Can imagine forum-spam how much zone-sized city is player-unfriendly.

I still remember all "waaaah it's so hard to navigate waaah I can't find that npc I need!!!!" spam regarding Shattrath. But Shattrath is relative small city (and actually very easy to navigate).

[Cæli]

Man, you must hate the Falles. They spend a year making these beautiful, often satirical statues called ninots and then they burn them all. And people love being able to see something that won't ever exist again for a short period of time. Which is, indeed, like life.

well those statues are nothing like the value of some particular movies, games, writings or music. those works outlive life itself if you didn't knew

[Torrasque]

Maybe in the next "cataclysm" styled expansion.

[Soulwind]

well those statues are nothing like the value of some particular movies, games, writings or music. those works outlive life itself if you didn't knew

You have some very specific standards you expect Blizzard to fulfill and every other player to share. About something as subjective as art, no less.

As someone else already said, I recommend you start speaking for yourself and not "many players" because anyone could say that at least a thousand WoW players agree with their opinion about anything and chances are they'd probably be right.

And let's stop derailing this thread. At least I think we can agree that should something like this happen, an NPC that allowed players to visit old Tanaris/Un'Goro would be part of it, as that seems to be the standard now, and probably will be with Silithus. I think these revamps are a good idea, you don't. Let's leave it there.