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    Premades vs randoms sucks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    except AV where the bg itself is against horde (compare towers, or the bridge vs the tunnel passage to boss, and of course starting point position), i don't see any advantage to alliance in other bgs
    also av alone is soulcrushing
    AV mostly fails because the Horde side is full of idiots who refuse to retap / defend towers and take ages to actually get to Dun Baldar to tap those towers.

    I can't stop facepalming when the East / West Frostwolf tower are at 2:00 left while Dun Baldar is still deep blue.

    The only advantage that the Alliance has in BG's is in IoC (at least in my opinion), they can take the Docks and just hold the Oil Rig while defending their Glaive throwers, Horde can't do the same with the Hangar.

    As far as i remember IoC had the most imbalaced Win ratio than any other BG, could have change, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    AV mostly fails because the Horde side is full of idiots who refuse to retap / defend towers and take ages to actually get to Dun Baldar to tap those towers.
    Do u even go AV? alliance bunkers for start is open space where loads of shooters interrupt u, horde one has only 1 at front, rest can't stop from capping
    alliance has a bridge to last zone (boss) where it is very easy to turtle/defend, not to mention the one earlier next to icewing bunker (if i remember right), horde on other hand has no good turtle zone literally, with even a completely secured tunnel that alliance can rush and then appear below frostwolf towers
    Lastly and most important the starting zone of horde is pushed way back that assume just straight run to last boss alliance will reach first, always, even with zero at defense
    As for why blizz 'ignoring' horde side just check my message, and how 'horde biased' they are
    IoC is far more 'balanced' in compare to whatever sh8t AV became since the rework
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotJoint View Post
    Started this week, is clearly that Blizzard wants Alliance wins at least 80% of random BGs. Horde are getting no healers in a lot of games, while alliance always have 2 or more. This week was loss after loss.

    Thanx Blizzard, is clearly something you are doing it.

    It is time to go Alliance?
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    I’m really not having trouble winning BG’s. By the way, for those who keep claiming they side loses more: it’s your fault. Play better!

    The actual stats on EU are basically perfect balance. http://wow-stats.com/FIG/BGwinRatiosBG_eu.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    Do u even go AV? alliance bunkers for start is open space where loads of shooters interrupt u, horde one has only 1 at front, rest can't stop from capping
    alliance has a bridge to last zone (boss) where it is very easy to turtle/defend, not to mention the one earlier next to icewing bunker (if i remember right), horde on other hand has no good turtle zone literally, with even a completely secured tunnel that alliance can rush and then appear below frostwolf towers
    Lastly and most important the starting zone of horde is pushed way back that assume just straight run to last boss alliance will reach first, always, even with zero at defense
    This is all a load of BS.

    The horde is intended to stop the alliance at the bottlenecks, which are designed to be defensible from the horde side (the graveyard is right behind them).

    The problem isn't the towers/bunkers, it's that the horde don't use the winning strategy that was given to them. Back in BC when they did they shut the alliance down in AV.
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    maybe horde should just learn to focus enemy healers

    (horde healer btw)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotJoint View Post
    Started this week, is clearly that Blizzard wants Alliance wins at least 80% of random BGs. Horde are getting no healers in a lot of games, while alliance always have 2 or more. This week was loss after loss.

    Thanx Blizzard, is clearly something you are doing it.

    It is time to go Alliance?
    Maybe you should make yourselves better at playing rather then blaming others like little kids who are angry for not getting their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotJoint View Post
    Started this week, is clearly that Blizzard wants Alliance wins at least 80% of random BGs. Horde are getting no healers in a lot of games, while alliance always have 2 or more. This week was loss after loss.

    Thanx Blizzard, is clearly something you are doing it.

    It is time to go Alliance?
    official how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spriggat View Post
    Another EU Horde Player here. As follows is my expirience with random bgs.

    Que as Horde and you have to wait like 7 to 15 minutes.
    I would say the win chances are higher as horde but you have to wait longer für your bg to open.

    Que as Alliance you have to wait like 2 minutes.
    As alliance the win ratio is a little bit lower but it really depends.

    I would say the win ratio is total random because if you match up with bad players you loose.

    Another interesting thing i noticed was this:
    If i que up as a healer (horde or alliance) then i get faster in bgs and have always 2-3 other healers in my team. Sometimes we are so much healers we cant win because we have not enough dps to do the job. If i que as dps then i often have no healer or just 1-2. Mostly you lose when the other team has 2 healers and your team has none.
    So it's either to much healers or to few of them. Anyone else has had that expierience?
    this is exactly what i experienced when i had the patience to do random bgs.. when i queued up , if i was playing my resto druid we always had 2 more healers. if i queued with my hunter tho, there generally were no healers or maybe 1. strange huh ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishayu View Post
    I’m really not having trouble winning BG’s. By the way, for those who keep claiming they side loses more: it’s your fault. Play better!

    The actual stats on EU are basically perfect balance. http://wow-stats.com/FIG/BGwinRatiosBG_eu.png
    I actually thought it was a photoshop when I saw that until I checked the site since it seems impossible to believe. Strange how it's like that on EU but on US it tells a very different picture, one where if you eliminated isle of conquest and AV from the equation horde would win 60 percent of the time (approximately)
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    Sounds like a git gud problem. Don't have healers? Roll a healer. Don't want to play healer, because "team is retrad!!1"? Well surprise surprise, the very same thought passes minds of others like you.
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  13. #53
    Literally just saw a forum post on WoW's official forums saying some guy lost 19/20 BGs as Horde lol

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    So that's what it is .. I've heard a lot of healers complaining that their BG queue doesn't pop on the horde side. Oh wait, no I didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    Do u even go AV? alliance bunkers for start is open space where loads of shooters interrupt u, horde one has only 1 at front, rest can't stop from capping
    alliance has a bridge to last zone (boss) where it is very easy to turtle/defend, not to mention the one earlier next to icewing bunker (if i remember right), horde on other hand has no good turtle zone literally, with even a completely secured tunnel that alliance can rush and then appear below frostwolf towers
    Lastly and most important the starting zone of horde is pushed way back that assume just straight run to last boss alliance will reach first, always, even with zero at defense
    The problem is that the majority of geographical advantages that the Alliance has doesn't even come into play because the Horde already fails on basic strategies.

    However, i disagree with one thing:

    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    alliance has a bridge to last zone (boss) where it is very easy to turtle/defend, not to mention the one earlier next to icewing bunker (if i remember right), horde on other hand has no good turtle zone literally,
    Horde can close off at Iceblood GY, which is better than the Icewing chokepoint because there's no way around and you have a GY right behind you, which is a great boon while defending, you can also defend Iceblood tower while Stonehearth is doomed to fall if you defend at Icewing, Tower Point is pretty safe as well if you hold the line at Iceblood GY.

    Next to that, the Icewing choke has cracks left and right, you can squeeze between the Wall and Icewing to get behind the lines and on the right side is small path you can use to get through, it leads to the House where Jeztor chills out.

    both paths aren't suited for entire zergs running through, but Zerg AV's are often decided by players who slip behind the lines tap the towers, if 5+ people make it to the towers, it's rare that enough people pull back to fight them.

    Second, the Frostwolf Village has become a rather decent chokepoint as well, not as good as the bridge, but there is pretty much only one path to the towers and that's the "main road", no cracks to slip through or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Well, they seem to be failing miserably at their task.

    I'm alliance and my win ratio is around 5%. For WSG, I've won 1 out of 200.
    Same ! I'm in Alliance and last week i did ~20 BGS and we had 1 single victory :/

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    Its a random bg, you can carry it, if you suck try to team up with better players.

  18. #58
    Yes , blizzard always helps ally to win in random BGs >.> cause placing healers in one team means instant win, it doesnt depend on the skills of the player no no no its just the spec, listen if you lose all the time as a horde just go and take the "alliance buff" from the npc outside ashran and join the alliance BGs we will be here for the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomchicken View Post
    It is official: Mmo Champ user makes stupid thread based on hyperbole and whining.

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    I actually thought it was a photoshop when I saw that until I checked the site since it seems impossible to believe. Strange how it's like that on EU but on US it tells a very different picture, one where if you eliminated isle of conquest and AV from the equation horde would win 60 percent of the time (approximately)
    Fake as hell. Horde has 50% winrate on IoC? I wouldn't give them 20%. Last time I saw Horde win there was in November last year.
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    http://wow-stats.com/bgwr01.html

    Alliance wins Alterac Valley and Isle of Conquest

    And loses to everything else

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