Roger Goodell tells NFL owners ‘everyone should stand for the national anthem’

[Orange Joe]

It just seems many people here have no idea that NFL teams are private entities and are a business. First off when you go to work, and yes playing in the NFL is a job, you give up certain rights. You can spout all that Freedom of Speech and Right to Protest BS, that does not come without consequences while on the job. Look at how I say ON THE JOB, AT WORK. Thats the key so many of you are missing. The NFL and the Teams have set guidelines and if you don't follow those guidelines you can be subject to what they deem as a disciplinary action.

They are not breaking any guidelines. Only things players must do before the game is be at the sidelines. Beyond that there is no must in their rules.

[Orlong]

Spare me the rhetoric of "muh flag". By that logic the tea-party was only about tea? If you are fighting for a flag instead of the rights of the people you aren't fighting for the right cause.

The TEA in tea party isnt a reference to tea, its an acronym for Taxed Enough Already. If these football players want to protest racial injustice, then they are free to do it, but they should do it in a way that is actually related to racial inequality. They are already playing a game for 16 days out of the year for millions of dollars, and minorities comprise over 65% of all NFL players, so there is no racial injustice there.

If they really want to affect change, then they should be marching to the Streets in Washington DC or their state capitols and demanding to talk with legislators, or get involved in politics themselves and work for change from the inside. Disrespecting the flag does nothing but piss off a large majority or their fans (people who pay their salaries), and doesnt solve anything

[Vyuvarax]

The TEA in tea party isnt a reference to tea, its an acronym for Taxed Enough Already. If these football players want to protest racial injustice, then they are free to do it, but they should do it in a way that is actually related to racial inequality. They are already playing a game for 16 days out of the year for millions of dollars, and minorities comprise over 65% of all NFL players, so there is no racial injustice there.

If they really want to affect change, then they should be marching to the Streets in Washington DC or their state capitols and demanding to talk with legislators, or get involved in politics themselves and work for change from the inside. Disrespecting the flag does nothing but piss off a large majority or their fans (people who pay their salaries), and doesnt solve anything

Their "fans" disrespect the American flag on the regular by supporting and worshipping the confederate flag. You know, the flag American soldiers were killed under. A real anti-American symbol.

[Orange Joe]

The TEA in tea party isnt a reference to tea, its an acronym for Taxed Enough Already. If these football players want to protest racial injustice, then they are free to do it, but they should do it in a way that is actually related to racial inequality. They are already playing a game for 16 days out of the year for millions of dollars, and minorities comprise over 65% of all NFL players, so there is no racial injustice there.

If they really want to affect change, then they should be marching to the Streets in Washington DC or their state capitols and demanding to talk with legislators, or get involved in politics themselves and work for change from the inside. Disrespecting the flag does nothing but piss off a large majority or their fans (people who pay their salaries), and doesnt solve anything

So they can only protest how you think they should protest. Off in the corner where you can't see them. So it doesn't hurt your feelings, and invade your safe space.

[Blamblam41]

The TEA in tea party isnt a reference to tea, its an acronym for Taxed Enough Already. If these football players want to protest racial injustice, then they are free to do it, but they should do it in a way that is actually related to racial inequality. They are already playing a game for 16 days out of the year for millions of dollars, and minorities comprise over 65% of all NFL players, so there is no racial injustice there.

If they really want to affect change, then they should be marching to the Streets in Washington DC or their state capitols and demanding to talk with legislators, or get involved in politics themselves and work for change from the inside. Disrespecting the flag does nothing but piss off a large majority or their fans (people who pay their salaries), and doesnt solve anything

You attack their actions because of their perceived affect on your sliver of reality and then try to judge them because of their income?

And I thought all millionaires and billionaires were just smart businessmen, Orlong?

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Their "fans" disrespect the American flag on the regular by supporting and worshipping the confederate flag. You know, the flag American soldiers were killed under. A real anti-American symbol.

And seriously this. Anyone that waves around that bullshit dixie standard lost their right to criticize black athletes kneeling down for the anthem.

That piece of cloth should be fucking illegal, but "muh states rights and muh confederacy".

[Orlong]

So they can only protest how you think they should protest. Off in the corner where you can't see them. So it doesn't hurt your feelings, and invade your safe space.

How is protesting in the streets of DC by the capitol building doing it off in the corners where nobody will see them?

[RussW210]

Why are people fighting for a flag instead of fighting for equality?

Because insulting your country because you feel slighted by the President makes you a child. Both Clinton's humiliated women and no one made a big deal. The world has all of a sudden turned into a bunch of whiners and pansies.

[Orlong]

Their "fans" disrespect the American flag on the regular by supporting and worshipping the confederate flag. You know, the flag American soldiers were killed under. A real anti-American symbol.

When the NFL starts flying a confederate flag, then youll have a point, but no NFL stadium flies one. What people do in their own homes is on them. The players are free to play the National Anthem in their backyard and kneel all they want to.


Also, nobody (including the "protesters") have explained how kneeling for the Anthem correlates in anyway to racial injustice. Its like saying I hate pizza and it should be illegal, and then protesting it in front of an ice cream parlor

[Blamblam41]

Because insulting your country because you feel slighted by the President makes you a child. Both Clinton's humiliated women and no one made a big deal. The world has all of a sudden turned into a bunch of whiners and pansies.

No, taking a kneel during an anthem and flag as an insult is just looking for a reason to be offended.

And conservatives are walking straight into that hypocritical trap.

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When the NFL starts flying a confederate flag, then youll have a point, but no NFL stadium flies one. What people do in their own homes is on them. The players are free to play the National Anthem in their backyard and kneel all they want to.


Also, nobody (including the "protesters") have explained how kneeling for the Anthem correlates in anyway to racial injustice

Then why do you think walking on DC to be an effective strategy? With no cameras? No free publicity? If anything, he's using the media to promote the kneeling brand in the same way your god king got his presidency to become popular.

[-Nurot]

Nope, I cant agree or disagree, the NA has been held in football games for as long as there has been football. Does the NA belong in it, I dont have the answer to that. All I am saying is that it isnt the right way to voice a opinion.

Incorrect. The origination of football can go back to 1869, for the first college game. In the 1880's the rules started slowly changing to transform it from rugby to the American football we know today. In 1920 the American Professional Football Association (APFA) formed. In 1922, they renamed it to the National Football league.

The Star-Spangled Banner was used by the navy in 1889. Congress made it the national anthem through resolution in 1931.

It didn't really catch on in football games until WW2, and after the war ended the NFL commissioner called for all teams to play it stating that it shouldn't be left out just because the war was over.

TL : DR - Football came first officially and unofficially.

[Zeta333]

Your argument would hold water if there weren't veterans kneeling for the flag.

an an equal amount on the other side.

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You don't get to tell other people what they are doing.

whos gona stop me?

[jellmoo]

You have the freedom of speech and expression. Oh, unless I don't like it, then you should shut up and do what you're told.

Wonderful.

[prwraith]

an an equal amount on the other side.

Then it's a net cancel and your argument continues to hold no water.

[Vyuvarax]

When the NFL starts flying a confederate flag, then youll have a point, but no NFL stadium flies one. What people do in their own homes is on them. The players are free to play the National Anthem in their backyard and kneel all they want to.


Also, nobody (including the "protesters") have explained how kneeling for the Anthem correlates in anyway to racial injustice. Its like saying I hate pizza and it should be illegal, and then protesting it in front of an ice cream parlor

I'm criticizing the fans who are triggered, not the NFL. The fans hypocrisy of worshipping a symbol of dead American soldiers - the Confederate Flag - makes it impossible to take their outrage of American soldiers being disrespected seriously.

[Dextroden]

You have the freedom of speech and expression. Oh, unless I don't like it, then you should shut up and do what you're told.

Wonderful.

A correct look at the factions in this.

[TZucchini]

Some foreign policy experts believe we're closer to nuclear war right now, than we were in October of 1962.

And the entire country is arguing over the god damn NFL.

[prwraith]

Some foreign policy experts believe we're closer to nuclear war right now, than we were in October of 1962.

And the entire country is arguing over the god damn NFL.

It's just funny because Republicans are up in arms that someone touched their precious football.

[Dextroden]

Some foreign policy experts believe we're closer to nuclear war right now, than we were in October of 1962.

And the entire country is arguing over the god damn NFL.

No. Only fake patriots and people doing this to annoy Trump are arguing over this.

[Linkedblade]

I think they should be fine for not standing. It's in the rule books. But that money should go to some charity. Perhaps one that is in line with what they are kneeling for. They want to help then that will.

Wonder how long they would continue if it actually came out of their pockets. Would show how strong their conviction is to their cause(s).

[Dextroden]

I think they should be fine for not standing. It's in the rule books. But that money should go to some charity. Perhaps one that is in line with what they are kneeling for. They want to help then that will.

Wonder how long they would continue if it actually came out of their pockets. Would show how strong their conviction is to their cause(s).

If it starts costing players money, the people doing this for popularity will jump right back to their feet. There'd be some players with conviction that'd keep going, but c'mon. This is the NFL. The gross majority of players are there to make money and be fawned over by the public.