Nightborne - pros and cons of joining the race

[ravenmoon]

Whiles talking about them in another topic, the questionj did gain some clarity in my mind. What, are the pros and cons of the nightborne joining the factions and hwat is the best direction for them as a people.

Let's hear your thoughts.

Mine: Well, nightbonre being playable gets you a cool new race (if you like elves, especially night elves).
Nightborne on the horde gives you night elves on the horde. Nightborne on the alliance gives you (esp the night elves) their advanced arcane empire grouop i.e. raises their profilebreathing new life.

• Is it better for them to stay out of the factions?
• Is it better for them to join both factions?
• Is it better for them to join one of the two factions only?

1, Is it better for them to stay out of the factions?
For their future development? No - if this happens they'd either disappear completely or show up in minimal roles. They have to be incporated into one of the playable races, the night elves and continue to bear relevance to them although not directly playable. (same witht heblood elves - but they have a lot less to contribute to the blood elf story than the ngiht elf.

From a pure in-game/lore perspective - i believe less involvement of the factions is beteter, but we all know if they're enot playable they lose relevance.

2. Is it better for them to join both factions?
Well, it will certainly keep them in the story if that's the case, so then the question becomes how and in what way? What way will determine which option is better.

Alliance and Horde:
As the nightborne are the Kaldorei empire arcane night elf group - their return adds meaning to the night elf group as a whole as it would determine the future and presentation of the group too. This can be done while either in the horde or alliance or both.

Whether in the horde or alliance, Nightborne will be bringing/extending the night elf story to your group. The question is do you want this? and or is it the best thing to do?

On the Alliance:
the arcane side of the night elves will play a much larger role and with it the night elves as a whole will gain more prominence. We will see the continuation of perhaps a bigger restoration picture of the night elves that could take them back to golden age, as for the first time since before the sundering, all 3 elements of the core of their society that made them great are back together. The arcane - their essence/core, The divine via Elune - their devotion and Nature - their love.

It will arguably be the most exciting time for night elves, as they will lok like a force to be reckoned with.


On the Horde:
It will bring the night elf story to involve the horde races actively and likely in conflict. Whereas on teh alliance or neutral the horde/alliance can be completely ignored, it is less likely to be so with the nightborne only on the horde.
IF on both the alliance and te horde, it depends on how much of deal blizzard want to make of this as a part of warcraft.

No horde race as space for this with already clearly defined story arcs and the place they fit, the nightborne expand the night elf story so unless you wanted the night elf story on the horde you wouldn'n't put them there. You could create a non-kaldorei based elven- but that defeats the whole point of the nightborne in the first place, and this is what the high/blood elves are - you might as well have created a new elven race not night-based, not living in the last standing vestig of the Kaldorei empire etc - i.e. you don't get more night elven than the nighhtborne.

There is a 3rd option, they work as small sub-race group shacking up with the blood elves, not the whole race, just a few people or exiles, allowing htem to be playable as a sub-race but not really needing to develop any much story, here these guys would hang with the blood elves, and improve their magic to the nightborne standars, and probably show up here and there featuring more proinently when blood elves come up against alliance night elves.

Best Option
Nightborne and night elves of the Broken Isles are their own separate kingdom/empire in the vein of pre-sundering Kaldorei empire before Azshara lost it. When the arcane, divine and nature were practised by various people - so it is now again after all the heartache and after overcoming addiction, the legion.

Now these elven group dedicate themselves to fulfiling their original mandate - make the world the best place - involving restoring much of the ruins, forests and cities etc ravaged, and helping all who are willing to adopt this philosophy. They believe in Elune spiritually and fight world threats - they are interested in the factions, but to keep them focused on the bigger threats and to keep them from developing into a world threat.

So this is why they send representatives to both the horde and the alliance covertly - they want their elven agents in their to guide them to peace, improving the world and themselves, protecting elven intersts and ensuring they never become world threats.

There are alternatives to this ofc, like a group of exiled nightborne who followed Elisande until she turned at the last minute, and turned with her to help us. Gained them a stay of execution but too little too late to prevent exile. These join the blood elves, like an exile group similar to the high elves who went to the humans, and the main body stay neutral or with the alliance night elves.

[Sovich]

They're a beautiful race with a cool design, would hope they're playable. It seemed like they were learning more towards the Horde due to Liadrin. Tyrande was arrogant.

Unless Alliance players were shown a different perspective?

A neutral faction that is able to play with both factions would be the best option, honestly. Factions are a bit outdated from a gameplay sense. Blizzard actively crushed world pvp and avoids it now.

[Wyrt]

They wouldn't add anything unique to either faction.

Adding them to the Horde would completely overshadow the blood elves on everything blood elves are supposed to be good with and basically render blood elves as obsolete.

Adding them to the Alliance would just further obfuscate their arcane related lore that is already overly dominated by humans/Kirin Tor. Effectively pushing draenei, night elves, and gnomes out of arcane related things entirely.

[Aeula]

Horde made a best first impression on them, considering the high elves kept trying to murder the blood elves and the night elves (mostly Tyrande) looked down on the nightborne. Their culture also matches much more closely to that of the Blood Elves and they share a lot of similarities in terms of the tragic events they’ve suffered.

It’s harder to imagine a Nightborne living in Darnassus than Silvermoon.

[Doffen]

Gief nightborne as at least subrace for both factions!! I would instaturn to nightborne.

[OIS]

Horde made a best first impression on them, considering the high elves kept trying to murder the blood elves and the night elves (mostly Tyrande) looked down on the nightborne. Their culture also matches much more closely to that of the Blood Elves and they share a lot of similarities in terms of the tragic events they’ve suffered.

It’s harder to imagine a Nightborne living in Darnassus than Silvermoon.

But surely you don't think the Horde needs more blood elves?

[Aeula]

But surely you don't think the Horde needs more blood elves?

Well they’re the only interesting race there since Orcs got butchered in MoP and WoD, so sure?

[Skoll Shorties]

Too many elves not enough... non-Elves. Just give me Ogres, Naga, or Ethereals and i'll be content.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The biggest part of me screams "Holy fuck, no more elves please god no."

I assume the nightborne will not be playable, but they will will have night borne joining both sides. I do feel that the leadership, if Thallysra /Valtrois/Silgryn are the new leaders of Surumar, that they did lean closer to the blood elves just because of their similar interests and lifestyles and struggles. Despite her intentions, Tyrande came off as uncaring and judgmental, not the best first impression to potential allies. Top that off with the night elves calling Blood elves "mana addicts" as an insult right infront of the nightborne, combined once again with the absolutely shit eating insanity that is Vereesa windrunner, I assume that on a base level the opinion of the Sin'dorei is Higher. However the night elves cured them of the night well, and that can't be forgotten. So once again, I don't think they will be forced into either side, and will instead stick to themselves to find their place, with some joining the Horde and others the Alliance.

[Mace]

They're a beautiful race with a cool design, would hope they're playable. It seemed like they were learning more towards the Horde due to Liadrin. Tyrande was arrogant.

Unless Alliance players were shown a different perspective?

A neutral faction that is able to play with both factions would be the best option, honestly. Factions are a bit outdated from a gameplay sense. Blizzard actively crushed world pvp and avoids it now.

Tyrande was not arrogant, she was furious - don't forget this is Tyrande's home city, and Tyrande has very high standards.. but she's not stupid either. She doesn't hate them or think them a lost cause or worhtless or she'd not have helped them and risked her soldier's lives. Instead you see the leader of the Order of Elune annoyed that her people did not join the rest of the night elves that marched on Zin'Azshari - but she is well aware they fought the legion then and now seemed to actually go all the way instead of cover their own arses and expect someone else to do the heavy lifting.

it's not arrogance. Tyrande was exactly like this, cautious and guarded when she met the alliance and horde in WC3, she's been away from her people for 10k years, the memory that at least they died fighting the legion albeit not lending their power to the final push would have offered her some comfort, but only to find out on her return that they've taken their magic and captiulated to teh legion, just like Azshara whom they fought. So she is a bit more cautiouson first meeting Thalyssra and the nightborne: Is this genuine? will she turn into another Azshara, another Elisande? - she hasn't experienced Thalyssra like we have, but she is also much older and sier than we are. Suffice it to say, mother moon is guiding her so she does help her former people and by the time you get to the part where we are helping train them in combat strategy, you can see she is fully on baord with them, she almost sounds proud of them.

Post War of the Ancients Tyrande has not been the soft, warm hearted elf we read in WotA trilogy, she's actually a bit scary for all her beauty, she is not like Liadrin she is both the leader of her order and her people and is thousands of years older, having experienced the corruption of the arcane orders - she is right to be suspicious of them at first just as she was when the Shen'dralar highborne approached her, as she was when the alliance & horde approached her, all the way back to when Darth'remar approached her in the cell of the palace in Zin'Ashari. But once you prove yourself, she become a great friend and will even honour your descendants because of you. Which is why she helped Kael'thas in TFT. What could have been huh - (then they had to put the night elves on the alliance and later the blood elves on the horde and exaggerate their enmity so we coul d carry on this so boviously forced war between horde/alliance designed to keep pvp and hte game running on a 2 -factions atwar conflict.

Shame blizzard areonly now realizing, not every race has to be at war with and hate every other race in the opposite fation, all you need is for a couple to be hte ones at logger heads, like we see the Forsaken and the Worgen are the races involved in the faction conflict. you don't have to pull all the racial groups in, it just feels too forced that way.

you need to create a good reason why some of htem would be fighting but not all together all the time.

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Horde made a best first impression on them, considering the high elves kept trying to murder the blood elves and the night elves (mostly Tyrande) looked down on the nightborne. Their culture also matches much more closely to that of the Blood Elves and they share a lot of similarities in terms of the tragic events they’ve suffered.

It’s harder to imagine a Nightborne living in Darnassus than Silvermoon.

when did you get that impression? Remember they are night elves, and it's night elves and nature that solve and form the basis of the resistance effort all through 7.0, only at the end is when the horde and alliance arrive and you get both groups helping just as much. Tyrande is angry but warms up, and may I remind you only Liadrin of the blood elves is warm to them, Rommath is cold as ice, and the other blood elves are just as arrogant about them if you listen to both the Archaeologist and the blood elf who breaks the spell shield.

Levy that against all the other night elven characters helping and being helped by them, as the two peoples re-connect again after 10,000 years.

The night elves don't need to make a first impression, because they already know the nightborne elves. these are their people , they've already met before and most lived in the same city before the sundering and fought the legion together, oly those who staye d in the city didn't march on zin'azshari, and now have invited demons back again.. you can see why Tyrande is annoyed at first and suspicious to begin with, but as Thalyssra proves that this is no fluke and she really means to drive the legion out, and the resistance seem willing to lay down their lives this time even with little trainign rather than live with titles and comforts under the demons - it impresses the world out of Tyrande, she even sounds a bit proud by the time she sends you to help with their training.

Come on guys, you can't just see arcane elves and think blood elves, you areforgetting that the night elves had a very strong and powerful arcane existence before they went all green and blizzard are now showing that side of them through the nightborne. Night elves as nightborne elves.

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The biggest part of me screams "Holy fuck, no more elves please god no."

I assume the nightborne will not be playable, but they will will have night borne joining both sides. I do feel that the leadership, if Thallysra /Valtrois/Silgryn are the new leaders of Surumar, that they did lean closer to the blood elves just because of their similar interests and lifestyles and struggles. Despite her intentions, Tyrande came off as uncaring and judgmental, not the best first impression to potential allies. Top that off with the night elves calling Blood elves "mana addicts" as an insult right infront of the nightborne, combined once again with the absolutely shit eating insanity that is Vereesa windrunner, I assume that on a base level the opinion of the Sin'dorei is Higher. However the night elves cured them of the night well, and that can't be forgotten. So once again, I don't think they will be forced into either side, and will instead stick to themselves to find their place, with some joining the Horde and others the Alliance.

it's likely Thalyssra knew Tyrande and it is clear at least they knew each others' orders well. Tyrande was being Tyrande and given the history she has with these people, knowing far more than Liadrin and the rest of us, her caution and anger is justified, but that shouldn't blind us to seeing that Tyrande is won over by them by the time she sends the alliance hero to help them train.

What was initially annoyance at the whole situation with her home city inviting the legion and the fact that 10k years ago, after fighting the demons and blocking the second portal, these guys instead chose to barricade in instead of stop the threat - gives Tyrande justifiable reason to be cautious and reluctant - do you not remember she was exactly the same on meeting the horde and alliance in WC3, not having good experinces with arcane wileding night elves - but she would also remember exceptions like Darth'remar Sunstrider and Mordant Evenshade very recently, and lets not forget that Tyrande does actually help as much.

Also bear in mind Tyrande is not the only night elf interaction of the nightborne by a long shot. 7.0 and 7.1 have them interacting with a lot of their kaldorei kin, from Valewalker, to Moonguard, to Val'sharah refugees etc, even Farondis gives those trying a hand in Azsuna and expresses sorrow and regret for asking you to kill his brothers who've gone too far (i.e. the nightborne and nightfallen their who are working for the legion). while horde wise, only Liadrin is spoken with, because as a priestly paladin, and her character is back to her old self, she is warm, compassionate and kind, she engages them. Rommath makes cold high handed remarks about them. The archaeologist Reliquary leader Thel'an keeps asking you to steal from them. THe only other person to have an interaction with the nightborne is Aethas Sunreaver, and that's with 1 nightborne, not the whole group - he's not with the elves at Suramar.

What it shows me is that blizzard is leaving the door open for the blood elves, and likely would mean blood elves would have a nightborne option available, but it would be a mistake to either put them only with the horde and at least in the very least, not also with the alliance. Frankly they should either be alliance only, neutral or both alliance and horde, not horde only. And the major activity should be happening with the night elves - whether on the horde or alliance as it's a night elf business.

[Friendlyimmolation]

They see the nightborne and see blood elves because culturally at that point, and physically and politically what they were going through heavily mirrored the blood elves blight.

People aren't pointing at nightborne and going "hey they are just like blood elves," because they both use arcane. In the end, Blood elves were much more open to the Nightborne than the night elves were, and it obviously rubbed off on them. Not that I want more elves on either side, I'm just pointing out things I see that to me are obvious.

[Al Gorefiend]

We need more elves after Legion increased both faction's Elf populations by almost 40%?

[Mace]

They wouldn't add anything unique to either faction.

Adding them to the Horde would completely overshadow the blood elves on everything blood elves are supposed to be good with and basically render blood elves as obsolete.

Adding them to the Alliance would just further obfuscate their arcane related lore that is already overly dominated by humans/Kirin Tor. Effectively pushing draenei, night elves, and gnomes out of arcane related things entirely.

i disagree there, because their relevance is to the night elves, they complete the night elves, and give the night elves their arcane dimension back.

They are not obfuscating the alliance arcane lore in anyway, because humans biggest representation is them as warriors/priests with magic playing a much smaller role except in Dalaran which is neutral not alliance. Lordaeron was the magically heavy human kingdom, and they are forsaken now. Dalaran level of magic is not blood elven level, and certainly not kaldorei empire level, so it's not the same thing.

Gnomes are engineering first, not magic. It's night elves that are magic first - we've seen their nature mastery, now we have also seen what their arcane mastery in its fullness is like, so i beg to differ, they will add much to the night elves given them their arcane mastery back.

without the nightborne in with the night elves, the horde have the magical advantage as forsaken easily match and realistically surpass Stormwind humans, and blood elves are better than both. Draenei have some great arcane users, bu arcane is not their thing. it's the Light, shamanism that have been made a much bigger deal, and on argus, you see magitech. The nightborne are the only counter to the blood elves. Engineering goblins and gnomes cancel out each other, so the horde instead need a race that can match the draenei's advanced tech - like the Ethereals (i think its because the horde have no counter is why we haven't seen a lot more of draenei crystal magitech playing a role). But that is second to the light.

Bear in mind the factions don't have to be equal, forsaken and blood elves may have the magical one up over the alliance, but nightobnre returning to the night elves will swing the pendulum in the alliance's favor, it won't equal it out. Same with the light. The Alliance is stronger in the light with it playing a large role in Draenei and humans, however it is strong in the blood elves too, but the shadow is stronger in the horde - playing a huge role with the forsaken and being the balancing half of the blood elves. so what the alliance gains in the light, the horde gain in the shadow. But I repeat, they don't need to be equal; The horde races are definitely stronger.

[Wyrt]

i disagree there, because their relevance is to the night elves, they complete the night elves, and give the night elves their arcane dimension back.

They are not obfuscating the alliance arcane lore in anyway, because humans biggest representation is them as warriors/priests with magic playing a much smaller role except in Dalaran which is neutral not alliance. Lordaeron was the magically heavy human kingdom, and they are forsaken now. Dalaran level of magic is not blood elven level, and certainly not kaldorei empire level, so it's not the same thing.

Gnomes are engineering first, not magic. It's night elves that are magic first - we've seen their nature mastery, now we have also seen what their arcane mastery in its fullness is like, so i beg to differ, they will add much to the night elves given them their arcane mastery back.

without the nightborne in with the night elves, the horde have the magical advantage as forsaken easily match and realistically surpass Stormwind humans, and blood elves are better than both. Draenei have some great arcane users, bu arcane is not their thing. it's the Light, shamanism that have been made a much bigger deal, and on argus, you see magitech. The nightborne are the only counter to the blood elves. Engineering goblins and gnomes cancel out each other, so the horde instead need a race that can match the draenei's advanced tech - like the Ethereals (i think its because the horde have no counter is why we haven't seen a lot more of draenei crystal magitech playing a role). But that is second to the light.

Bear in mind the factions don't have to be equal, forsaken and blood elves may have the magical one up over the alliance, but nightobnre returning to the night elves will swing the pendulum in the alliance's favor, it won't equal it out. Same with the light. The Alliance is stronger in the light with it playing a large role in Draenei and humans, however it is strong in the blood elves too, but the shadow is stronger in the horde - playing a huge role with the forsaken and being the balancing half of the blood elves. so what the alliance gains in the light, the horde gain in the shadow. But I repeat, they don't need to be equal; The horde races are definitely stronger.

Humans completely dominate all things arcane related aside from arcane tech, it's so bad it even bleeds over into squashing blood elf mage representation. Only thing they don't dominate is arcane tech, which is the one area draenei get their due since they're otherwise left out of mage related activities. Gnomes get basically nothing even with them being a naturally arcane inclined race due to their high intelligence. We've basically seen nothing out of the Highborne since they returned in Cata either.

The Alliance doesn't need more arcane using races, we need the ones we already have to be better represented.

[Mace]

They see the nightborne and see blood elves because culturally at that point, and physically and politically what they were going through heavily mirrored the blood elves blight.

People aren't pointing at nightborne and going "hey they are just like blood elves," because they both use arcane. In the end, Blood elves were much more open to the Nightborne than the night elves were, and it obviously rubbed off on them. Not that I want more elves on either side, I'm just pointing out things I see that to me are obvious.

we can't say that, when only Liadrin has been open with them. Despite their similar experiences with arcane that Liadrin comments on. But lets not forget all night elves have experinced this too, themain kaldorei group experiencedthis at the sundering, the shend'ralar are very familiar with this and lets not forget all the night elves that were and aere supportive of their kin. or have we forgotten VAlewalker Farodin who stands side by side with Thalyssra to help save the nightborne. OR the Moonguard, NIght Eyes and the rfeuggees who all join in the effort.

7.1 does not cancel out 7.0, and you need to play the alliance side as well and find out that you're really mis-judging Tyrande and the night elves as a whole if you are equating their relationship to the nightborne based on Tyrande's reactions and if you don't understand the reasons for that. You have to think from a night elf perspective,it's different from the blood elf perpective. From the night elven viewpoint, it is the nightborne that have let the side down (remember they are night elves and this is an internal matter - ), once 10k years ago, by notcoming to help finish the job, something they don't realize Tyrande/Malfurion/Ravencrest managed, cos they were shielded, and recently again by letting the demons in... the onus is on them to show their people and the world who they are. And look who is the first to show confidence in them ? Valewalker Farodin, look at all the others who come to their side.

When you view it that way you don't see "night elves were cold because Tyrande was cold and therefore nightborne won't want to join the night elves because they were cold and Liadrin was warm, therefore they want to join the blood elves because they both suffered frommagic addiction" - instead you will see Tyrande as upset angry because of pride, her people she expected more from have doen even worse than the refusal to fight all the way to Zin'Azsarhi by letting the demons in - Thalyssra is also furious at Elisande for this, but she tries to save her people - so does Tyrande - after given a reprimemand. Remember this is the high priestess returnng. Tyrande has a right to be there, it's her city and she is the leader of the order, which i'm sure gives her some legistllative authority even though it's been absent for 10k years.

Further to that, you see the nightborne elves and night elves working together. The nightbornearmy camp is a mixture of nightborne and broken isle night elves.Blood leves are new to this party. They werne't here 10k years ago, they are not from Suramar originallly, so for them this is a new experience which it seems only Liadrin cares about.

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Humans completely dominate all things arcane related aside from arcane tech, it's so bad it even bleeds over into squashing blood elf mage representation. Only thing they don't dominate is arcane tech, which is the one area draenei get their due since they're otherwise left out of mage related activities. Gnomes get basically nothing even with them being a naturally arcane inclined race due to their high intelligence. We've basically seen nothing out of the Highborne since they returned in Cata either.

The Alliance doesn't need more arcane using races, we need the ones we already have to be better represented.

Dalaran for sure, not the alliance - it is really bad, and it makes you think..what the hell is special about the Elves then if not their magic - if you have so many humans, Aegwyn/Khadgar/Jaina/Rhonin just Mary Sueing all over the place. Still you have had powerful Elven sorcerors, Azshara, Illidan, Kael'thas, Darth'remar, Elisande, Vashj, Lothrius, Farondis,Valtrois and Thalyssra we've seen as powerful, not to mention Alodi.

What's annoying is their failure to use elves instead of humans. Mordant Evenshade should have taken us to Suramar, Azsuna and met the demon hunters out the Warden cave, not Khadgar. The blood elves on the one hand looked so strong against the night elves in cataclysm, are made to look like nothing compared to the humans in Dalaran.

But lets not forget Dalaran is not alliance, and blizzard wants it to be the centre for all things magical - as long as they keep the elves as the driving force of magic.. i loved that the Krin'tor had to go consult the nightborne and highborne for help and magical issues, so it should be with the blood elves too. In fac the blood elves hould be the first port of call when something is a bit beyond theml Failing that they can try the high/nightborne elves.

[Felrane]

I could see blizzard finally giving alliance High elves and giving horde the nightborne. Perhaps even give the high elf a slightly different model. If we do see sub races.

Lore wise the Bloodelves sympathise with the nightborne. They had a leader betray them to the legion. They wither and go feral without mana. While not the same its similar. With the help of a nightelf(cant remember his name) they did get a cure and have gained a balance between nature and arcane so they could easily sway to either faction. Tyrande seems to look down on them but a small faction of highborne did rejoin nightelves after cata so they seem to be more open about magic useage.

[Friendlyimmolation]

we can't say that, when only Liadrin has been open with them. Despite their similar experiences with arcane that Liadrin comments on. But lets not forget all night elves have experinced this too, themain kaldorei group experiencedthis at the sundering, the shend'ralar are very familiar with this and lets not forget all the night elves that were and aere supportive of their kin. or have we forgotten VAlewalker Farodin who stands side by side with Thalyssra to help save the nightborne. OR the Moonguard, NIght Eyes and the rfeuggees who all join in the effort.

The ninght elves were never physically afflicted by the well like the blood elves were with the sunwell or the Nightborne with the Night well. On a side by side comparison the Blood elves better relate with the nightborne because of the similar plight of addiction, and a leader who struck a bargain with the legion. The night elves experienced it too, but not to the same extent. You have Tyrande's night elves right next to her calling the blood elves mana addicts right infront of the Nightborne rebel's faces, you have Vereesa having to be talked down from trying to shoot at Rommath, and you have liadrin saying she doesn't trust Vereesa to even try to support a flank. Right from the get go the opinion of the Night elves and by extension the alliance is suckerpunched by the night elve's animosity.

7.1 does not cancel out 7.0, and you need to play the alliance side as well and find out that you're really mis-judging Tyrande and the night elves as a whole if you are equating their relationship to the nightborne based on Tyrande's reactions and if you don't understand the reasons for that. You have to think from a night elf perspective,it's different from the blood elf perpective. From the night elven viewpoint, it is the nightborne that have let the side down (remember they are night elves and this is an internal matter - ), once 10k years ago, by notcoming to help finish the job, something they don't realize Tyrande/Malfurion/Ravencrest managed, cos they were shielded, and recently again by letting the demons in... the onus is on them to show their people and the world who they are. And look who is the first to show confidence in them ? Valewalker Farodin, look at all the others who come to their side.

I've played both sides, and its easy to tell that the blood elves are a hell of a lot more warm to the Nightborne than the elves, regardless of Tyrande's past experiences it made her seem calloused. And its the night elf perspective that the NIghtborne are the failures is a stronger message than the message of friendship Liadrin sends. Again, the Night elves are their own worst enemies when it comes to making new allies.

When you view it that way you don't see "night elves were cold because Tyrande was cold and therefore nightborne won't want to join the night elves because they were cold and Liadrin was warm, therefore they want to join the blood elves because they both suffered frommagic addiction" - instead you will see Tyrande as upset angry because of pride, her people she expected more from have doen even worse than the refusal to fight all the way to Zin'Azsarhi by letting the demons in - Thalyssra is also furious at Elisande for this, but she tries to save her people - so does Tyrande - after given a reprimemand. Remember this is the high priestess returnng. Tyrande has a right to be there, it's her city and she is the leader of the order, which i'm sure gives her some legistllative authority even though it's been absent for 10k years.

And again, it wasn't just Tyrande who was acting cold, her soldiers acted like morons. Saying "I have authority, I am a priestess of Elune," would have probably made the situation worse because it would have painted Tyrande as even more arrogant.

Further to that, you see the nightborne elves and night elves working together. The nightbornearmy camp is a mixture of nightborne and broken isle night elves.Blood leves are new to this party. They werne't here 10k years ago, they are not from Suramar originallly, so for them this is a new experience which it seems only Liadrin cares about.

So somehow the elves that never met the nightborne before, that suffered a similar fate and trials of the nightborne, are less appealing than the night elves who have known them, and treat them like shit? I'm honestly confused on what point you tried to make here.

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I could see blizzard finally giving alliance High elves and giving horde the nightborne. Perhaps even give the high elf a slightly different model. If we do see sub races.

Lore wise the Bloodelves sympathise with the nightborne. They had a leader betray them to the legion. They wither and go feral without mana. While not the same its similar. With the help of a nightelf(cant remember his name) they did get a cure and have gained a balance between nature and arcane so they could easily sway to either faction. Tyrande seems to look down on them but a small faction of highborne did rejoin nightelves after cata so they seem to be more open about magic useage.

Not this crap again, same race = same model. And god no more elves.

[Jastall]

I'm torn because on one hand the Nightborne are a pretty interesting race.

On the other hand, please no more elves.

Then again new races are always tied to the current xpack. So I strongly doubt they will become playable.

[Oakshana]

I dont think we'll see them as a new race. I think they fulfilled a character role for one part of Legion. They'd have to completely redesign them, animations, hairdos, emotes, etc. Because they wont want to introduce a new race that has the same skeletal structure as an existing race. It's just not very exciting.

Now... as a subrace option? I could possibly see that

[Sentynel]

Nightborne are the Jinyu of MoP and the Arakkoa of WoD. More or less detailed but will never make it as a playable race.