Majority of Danes want to ban burqa: survey

[Zoneseek]

I hate the burqa and everything it stands for, but you cannot call yourself a free country and then tell people how to dress.

[Melius]

I hate the burqa and everything it stands for, but you cannot call yourself a free country and then tell people how to dress.

isnt this burqa a sign of opression on muslim women? i find it normal to be banned by any country.

[Theinquisition]

Danes country, Denmarks culture, if they want to ban it, it's their choice.

[Machismo]

Danes country, Denmarks culture, if they want to ban it, it's their choice.

And it happens to be a culture that pushes against the basic principles of freedom.

[Ishayu]

The really really ironic thing about his stupid burqa-ban is that it is already illegal by danish law to excert social control over others and punishable by up to 4 years in prison. It is paragraph 260, piece 3 of the danish penal code:

"Med bøde eller fængsel indtil 2 år straffes for ulovlig tvang den, som

1) ved vold eller ved trussel om vold, om betydelig skade på gods, om frihedsberøvelse eller om at fremsætte usand sigtelse for strafbart eller ærerørigt forhold eller at åbenbare privatlivet tilhørende forhold tvinger nogen til at gøre, tåle eller undlade noget,

2) ved trussel om at anmelde eller åbenbare et strafbart forhold eller om at fremsætte sande ærerørige beskyldninger tvinger nogen til at gøre, tåle eller undlade noget, for så vidt fremtvingelsen ikke kan anses tilbørlig begrundet ved det forhold, som truslen angår." -

"Penalties or imprisonment for up to 2 years shall be punished for unlawful coercion of the person who

1) by violence or threat of violence, significant damage to goods, detention or impropriety of punishable or crippled relations or the fact that apparent privacy causes someone to do, tolerate or omit anything,

2) in the event of threatening to report or reveal a criminal offense or to make true honorable accusations, compel someone to do, withstand or omit anything in so far as the constraint can not be regarded as reasonably justified by the threat to which the threat relates."

"Stk. 3 Tvinges nogen til at bære en beklædningsgenstand, der skjuler vedkommendes ansigt, kan straffen stige til fængsel indtil 4 år."
"PCS. 3 If someone is forced to wear a garment that conceals his face, the sentence may rise to imprisonment for 4 years."

Besides this, the danish constitution literally makes it impossible for lawmakers to prohibit certain pieces of clothing. So they have to make the burqa-ban against masking your face everywhere in the public space for any reason......

This kind of stuff is very common in law all over the world. Something is already illegal and nothing is being done about it by the police. The law is thus forgotten, and another is added to the books to keep the public eye on the issue and keep the police on their toes.

This is a great example of that happening. In fact, there's so much of the stuff that the immigrants are doing that is completely illegal, that frankly I don't understand why we're even discussing the merits of them. Nevermind the fact that many of them came here illegally, they then proceed to do all sorts of nasty things like this.

The burqa is something that is mandated by men for women to wear, and is punishable by 4 years in prison, as you state, but unfortunately the women will insist that they're doing it of their own free will because their partners force them to do that, too.

What we have to do is shut down the mosques impowering these men, which are by the way doing a ton of illegal stuff as well, and then we can hopefully get the women to come forward.

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And it happens to be a culture that pushes against the basic principles of freedom.

Freedom is only possible if there is a more local government with stronger controls, going all the way down to the individual households. Household rules are important for a western democracy to function. Neighbourhood rules likewise.

The notion of freedom, as it is known in the west, is simply the delegation of power to the smallest possible unit. The family lays the groundwork for general behaviour, towns have their own municipalities with laws that make sense for that region, and above that are the regions with laws unique to them, and above that are the laws for the whole country.

Each level is supposed to keep the peace on a larger level than the lower level, but have less actual influence in the day-to-day. The state in Denmark will not determine how garbage should be disposed, but you can bet the municipality cares about that, for example.

The advantage of this system is that you can move between regions to change some of the laws which apply to you, which means that areas of the country are competing for tax rates and sensible regulations. This ability to go where you want within your country and to vote on the lawmakers subverts the control of the most powerful, which is what we call freedom.

You see the same thing in the US, or the UK, or really any european country.

Freedom is not the same as anarchy. Freedom does not mean it should be illegal for a community to decide that there are some things they don't wish to see.

[Jakexe]

As much as I hate the burqa this is one of things things the screams "we'll force you to obey our version of freedom by forcing you to do something".

Let people wear what they want unless it's part of a security issue.

[Machismo]

This kind of stuff is very common in law all over the world. Something is already illegal and nothing is being done about it by the police. The law is thus forgotten, and another is added to the books to keep the public eye on the issue and keep the police on their toes.

This is a great example of that happening. In fact, there's so much of the stuff that the immigrants are doing that is completely illegal, that frankly I don't understand why we're even discussing the merits of them. Nevermind the fact that many of them came here illegally, they then proceed to do all sorts of nasty things like this.

The burqa is something that is mandated by men for women to wear, and is punishable by 4 years in prison, as you state, but unfortunately the women will insist that they're doing it of their own free will because their partners force them to do that, too.

What we have to do is shut down the mosques impowering these men, which are by the way doing a ton of illegal stuff as well, and then we can hopefully get the women to come forward.

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Freedom is only possible if there is a more local government with stronger controls, going all the way down to the individual households. Household rules are important for a western democracy to function. Neighbourhood rules likewise.

The notion of freedom, as it is known in the west, is simply the delegation of power to the smallest possible unit. The family lays the groundwork for general behaviour, towns have their own municipalities with laws that make sense for that region, and above that are the regions with laws unique to them, and above that are the laws for the whole country.

Each level is supposed to keep the peace on a larger level.

The advantage of this system is that you can move between regions to change some of the laws which apply to you, which means that areas of the country are competing for tax rates and sensible regulations. This ability to go where you want within your country and to vote on the lawmakers subverts the control of the most powerful, which is what we call freedom.

You see the same thing in the US, or the UK, or really any european country.

Freedom is not the same as anarchy. Freedom does not mean it should be illegal for a community to decide that there are some things they don't wish to see.

I never said freedom is the same as anarchy. If, as you say, it's a delegation of power to the lowest level, then the end point would be the individual, not the family. When it comes to maximizing freedom, the concept is rather simple, only restrict actions which cause harm. Anything past that is an unnecessary restriction of freedom, as it does not actually create more security.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

isnt this burqa a sign of opression on muslim women? i find it normal to be banned by any country.

How is it not oppressive to force people who want to not to wear them?

[Allybeboba]

Would this ban include the new Chinese ‘facekini’ too?

[Theinquisition]

And it happens to be a culture that pushes against the basic principles of freedom.

Meh, it's their decision to make.

Personally, I believe the preservation of a country's culture is important. IDK if I'd go so far as banning certain types of clothing though.

[Machismo]

Meh, it's their decision to make.

Personally, I believe the preservation of a country's culture is important. IDK if I'd go so far as banning certain types of clothing though.

That's the problem, that culture they want to preserve is one that is decidedly anti-freedom. Personally, that's not a culture I would ever support.

[primalmatter]

That's the problem, that culture they want to preserve is one that is decidedly anti-freedom. Personally, that's not a culture I would ever support.

I might agree with you but for clarification what culture are you referring to?

[Machismo]

I might agree with you but for clarification what culture are you referring to?

Well, I support freedom, so it is paramount in any culture I would support. I don't feel a need to belong to any single culture, or forcefully push mine onto others.

[Mehrunes]

And it happens to be a culture that pushes against the basic principles of freedom.

Meanwhile in US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-m...#United_States

[primalmatter]

Well, I support freedom, so it is paramount in any culture I would support. I don't feel a need to belong to any single culture, or forcefully push mine onto others.

So... your a coward waiting to be crushed and absorbed into a stronger culture then your own? You can't drive barbarians back with nativity when they speak in force.

[Machismo]

Meanwhile in US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-m...#United_States

Lucky for me, I don't support those, either. Logical consistency is a wonderful thing.

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So... your a coward waiting to be crushed and absorbed into a stronger culture then your own? You can't drive barbarians back with nativity when they speak in force.

Not at all. I simply don't want to have a big daddy government to do my fighting for me.

Holy shit, aren't you the actual Nazi supporter? I mean... national socialist authoritarian? Yep, that's you...

[primalmatter]

Lucky for me, I don't support those, either. Logical consistency is a wonderful thing.

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Not at all. I simply don't want to have a big daddy government to do my fighting for me.

Holy shit, aren't you the actual Nazi supporter? I mean... national socialist authoritarian? Yep, that's you...

So you would rather do the fighting yourself? Seems a ineffective method to me. What precisely does my political leaning matter to this subject or is that simply a attempt at slander?

[Machismo]

So you would rather do the fighting yourself? Seems a ineffective method to me. What precisely does my political leaning matter to this subject or is that simply a attempt at slander?

It's not an attempt to slander, because you clearly don't know what that word means. It's only "slander" if it's not true.

Now, are you an authoritarian national socialist? The last time I recall, that's what you were.

[primalmatter]

It's not an attempt to slander, because you clearly don't know what that word means. It's only "slander" if it's not true.

Now, are you an authoritarian national socialist? The last time I recall, that's what you were.

It is a attempt clearly you do not understand the word attempt....

Now what does my political leaning have to do with this again?

[Machismo]

It is a attempt clearly you do not understand the word attempt....

Now what does my political leaning have to do with this again?

It has everything to do with it, I'm pointing out your authoritarian beliefs run far past that of just burqas...

I noticed you tried to dodge another question. So, are you willing to answer it?