Great Ormond Street Hospital 'failing' intersex children

[Blamblam41]

This kind of thing shouldn't be legal until the patient is 18.

Yes, because every single person in the history of the world matures at exactly the same time, at 18.

Nobody ever made stupid decisions at or after the day they turned 18. Everyone is perfectly responsible and capable for themselves upon turning this magical age.

You people are a joke.

[Cerilis]

Well that's... odd. Who in their right mind would intend such an outcome? Nonetheless, I apologize if it came off that way.

I guess it's good to have any possible misunderstandings cleared.

[Templar 331]

"male children shouldn't be legal until they are 18"

Literally how dumb the argument was.

Strawmaning is an even dumber argument. Surgery on a minor to determine gender when the gender is questionable shouldn't be legal.

Yes, because every single person in the history of the world matures at exactly the same time, at 18.

Nobody ever made stupid decisions at or after the day they turned 18. Everyone is perfectly responsible and capable for themselves upon turning this magical age.

You people are a joke.

At 18 they are legally capable of making their own decisions without a parent's authorization. Their decision, not someone else making it for them as in the case in the OP. That is what matters here. What they want when they are legally capable of making their own decision.

[josykay]

Essentially all hospitals fail intersex children.
There is usually no therapist involved, when determing, what surgery should be done, mostly because they are done, when a child is to young, to even talk. If they are lucky, it is up to the parents, to decide, weather a surgery should take place or not.
Sometimes parents aren't even asked for their consent before performing that surgery. And the decission, which "genetalia" should be removed is pretty vague. Mostly it is based on "hat looks more developed" or what is easier to perform. With noone asking the child, what he or she would prefer, which leads when the kid grows up to complicated situations, in case you removed the wrong organs, without asking,and messing up the person's hormones.
And finally there is social pressure, since most nations require, to write a gender into the birth certificate, with no "neutral option" essentially forcing doctors and parents to make a decission, what gender the child will have, on very vague guesses.

[Deleted]

Strawmaning is an even dumber argument. Surgery on a minor to determine gender when the gender is questionable shouldn't be legal.



At 18 they are legally capable of making their own decisions without a parent's authorization. Their decision, not someone else making it for them as in the case in the OP. That is what matters here. What they want when they are legally capable of making their own decision.

Educate yourself on INTERSEX please

[Templar 331]

Educate yourself on INTERSEX please

https://www.google.com/search?source...91.nyhsyXAsQ1w

And this has what to do with my argument?

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https://www.google.com/search?source...91.nyhsyXAsQ1w

And this has what to do with my argument?

Some intersex require surgery immediately due to future and potential dangerous complications later on

[josykay]

Some intersex require surgery immediately due to future and potential dangerous complications later on

I guess, none says anything gainst that... However, some others don't but a surgery is performed anyway, so the child fits one gender. Now if you remove the "wrong ones" you have done a major fuck up. So IMO if not risky, you should wait for the kid, to make that decission him/ herself, not based on some vague guesses, since you can cause an enormous clusterfuck for the child.

[Templar 331]

Some intersex require surgery immediately due to future and potential dangerous complications later on

Funny how you left that part out of you opening post dude. Literally half of it was how one guy's life was fucked up because his parents made the wrong decision on which gender he should be. Based on that information I formed an opinion on how surgery of this nature should only be allowed when the patient is legally able to make their own decisions.

[Deleted]

Funny how you left that part out of you opening post dude. Literally half of it was how one guy's life was fucked up because his parents made the wrong decision on which gender he should be. Based on that information I formed an opinion on how surgery of this nature should only be allowed when the patient is legally able to make their own decisions.

Thus why I said GO EDUCATE YOURSELF

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So you want to make the 99% suffer because of the 1%? You sound a lot like Trump

Are you high? We're not performing sex changes on 99%

[primalmatter]

Why should a hospital be providing mental care over a therapists office exactly?

[Templar 331]

Thus why I said GO EDUCATE YOURSELF

Which is why I'm in your thread. To learn this shit. Saying "go educate yourself" when YOU start a topic is lazy as hell. I read your opening post, I make a comment, you comment on my opinion and we learn something. Why should I waste my time scouring the internet for something I don't know I'm looking for when you already have that info here?

[josykay]

Why should a hospital be providing mental care over a therapists office exactly?

Appearantly they don't even recommend visit a therapist, or wait, but perform the surgeries on very vague guesses, regardless, of age or what the child would have to say on that matter.

[primalmatter]

Appearantly they don't even recommend visit a therapist, or wait, but perform the surgeries on very vague guesses, regardless, of age or what the child would have to say on that matter.

Its a child it never has a say in the matter.

[Jakexe]

Appearantly they don't even recommend visit a therapist, or wait, but perform the surgeries on very vague guesses, regardless, of age or what the child would have to say on that matter.

Source? I don't expect to hear back from you.

[josykay]

Its a child it never has a say in the matter.

So, you are ok, with parents making life changing decissions for their child, without waiting for even ask the child, that might cripple the child for a lifetime? If not, that's the entire point of the article.
The doctors and to some extend the parents made this man's life miserable, because of performing such a surgery, based on vague guesses.

The outrage over teenagers, wanting to get treated because of gender identity appears to be always quite load. But by perfoming such a surgery on babies... Nothing.

Source? I don't expect to hear back from you.

Read the article. They performed that surgery on a baby. Who is to young to talk or anything. They didn't tell the parents to wait, till the child can speak for himself, and consultate a therapist. They just performed the surgery and told the parents, to treat him as a girl, which lead to the entire problem.
And the vague guesses are vague, because you don'T know, what the kids identity is. They just guess it on what looks more developed, or which is easier to remove, and usually on very young ages, like in that case, long before they can speak.
It is essentially a repeated Reimer experiment, which didn't work out either.

[The One Percent]

I vote we use that pit for malformed babies like in 300

[Wartide_ysera]

I vote we use that pit for malformed babies like in 300

You are not funny, hope you never have children.

[primalmatter]

So, you are ok, with parents making life changing decissions for their child, without waiting for even ask the child, that might cripple the child for a lifetime? If not, that's the entire point of the article.
The doctors and to some extend the parents made this man's life miserable, because of performing such a surgery, based on vague guesses.

The outrage over teenagers, wanting to get treated because of gender identity appears to be always quite load. But by perfoming such a surgery on babies... Nothing.


Read the article. They performed that surgery on a baby. Who is to young to talk or anything. They didn't tell the parents to wait, till the child can speak for himself, and consultate a therapist. They just performed the surgery and told the parents, to treat him as a girl, which lead to the entire problem.
And the vague guesses are vague, because you don'T know, what the kids identity is. They just guess it on what looks more developed, or which is easier to remove, and usually on very young ages, like in that case, long before they can speak.
It is essentially a repeated Reimer experiment, which didn't work out either.

Not really no but I don't see a point in using words anymore simply wait till the anger builds and force fixes the issue.

[The One Percent]

You are not funny, hope you never have children.

5 boys, 1 girl, all successful in their fields/business so sorry