How do you feel about the killing of Sally-Anne Jones?

[Spectral]

Work for the infidels and a car bomb will get you.

Is there a difference?

Yes - there's every reason to believe that if ISIS ceased hostilities, they'd be left to their own devices in short order. Pretty much no one believes that ISIS would be inclined towards such a relationship were the Western world to break off hostilities.

[zealo]

Except you are wrong. The ref stopped targetting specific targets after a review found less that 5% of bombs landed within 15 miles of their target. We then changed to area bombing to 'dehouse' workers.

Are you really this ignorant?

Also how is pointing out the us mass murder of literally 100s of thousands with two nukes over the top?

It's not like it wouldn't have led to death on much the same scale as the nukes if they had proceeded with Operation Downfall and performed an invasion of mainland Japan.

Whether it was ethical or not to drop them is purely academical, the fact it would've been horribly bloody either way remains a constant.

[apepi]

Why does IS need to recruit young western girls?

[Theodarzna]

I am curious how prevalent European conversion to Islam is.

[Deleted]

Why does IS need to recruit young western girls?

it needs all the bodies it can get.

Its in its death spiral now though in terms of physical territory. The caliphate is being smashed on all sides. The only hope for them is that the kurds get into a fight with the Iraqi army and the SAA because it will give them slight relief.

This is a decent piece via the Guardian on her : https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...s-capital-fell

And if you go on : https://syria.liveuamap.com/ you can see how Raqqa is being circled divided and cleared by the Kurds.

Alot of the ISIS fighters are surrendering to the Kurds as they know they are less likely to be killed (as opposed to surrendering to the SAA who will likely kill them or the Shia militias who are notorious for killing entire families in revenge will do it).

But the big danger is the kurds front line has now hit the SAA frontline, either side of the euphrates.

[ParanoiD84]

it needs all the bodies it can get.

Its in its death spiral now though in terms of physical territory. The caliphate is being smashed on all sides. The only hope for them is that the kurds get into a fight with the Iraqi army and the SAA because it will give them slight relief.

This is a decent piece via the Guardian on her : https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...s-capital-fell

And if you go on : https://syria.liveuamap.com/ you can see how Raqqa is being circled divided and cleared by the Kurds.

Alot of the ISIS fighters are surrendering to the Kurds as they know they are less likely to be killed (as opposed to surrendering to the SAA who will likely kill them or the Shia militias who are notorious for killing entire families in revenge will do it).

But the big danger is the kurds front line has now hit the SAA frontline, either side of the euphrates.

Kurds are doing hell of a job taking out the trash

[LiiLoSNK]

I am saddened by the death of a terrorist woman with the looks of a busted down back alley hooker, simply because she is white.

Kill all terrorists, except the white ones, because white.

[Deleted]

Kurds are doing hell of a job taking out the trash

Yea the US, Kurds, Syrians, Russians, Iraqis and Iranians might not all be working as one, but they are all hammering ISIS.

Look at January : https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/time/01.01.2017
Then look at today : https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/time/13.10.2017

Assads SAA : Red
Kurds : Yellow
Al-queda : Green
ISIS : Black

But there are still big problems setting up on the horizon. Turkish tanks rolling into Idlib, battlelines along the euphrates. Whats that phrase 'the battle is over, now comes the war' or something.

Raqqa atm :

[Deleted]

Join ISIS get splatted.

Lots of ISIS fighters are now fleeing and surrendering to the kurds. (because if they surrender to the Shia they will be outright killed). These people are fucking the biggest cunts going.

There should be a Nuremberg in Iraq and Syria for them.

Yeah there should be a Nuremberg for the USA

[jimboa24]

She was an active and effective propagandist and recruiter for ISIS. She might not have pulled the trigger or flipped the switch in bombings, but she had gallons of blood on her hands nevertheless, and her death was a loss to ISIS.

So to answer the OP's question, I don't feel anything about her death. Won't lose a wink of sleep over her.

[Deleted]

There is a much more fundamental question here.

How does one just hops on a plane "to Syria" and walk up to ISIS and say, "Hey! I wanna join!"

They would organise with a domestic recruiter or via online recruitment
Go to Turkey, when the border used to be more porous.
Meet an ISIS recruiter on the border or a people smuggler
Then simply drive to ISIS controlled territory.

heres a sob story but it takes you through the recruitment and journey of joining.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...P=share_btn_tw

[apepi]

it needs all the bodies it can get.

Its in its death spiral now though in terms of physical territory. The caliphate is being smashed on all sides. The only hope for them is that the kurds get into a fight with the Iraqi army and the SAA because it will give them slight relief.

This is a decent piece via the Guardian on her : https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...s-capital-fell

And if you go on : https://syria.liveuamap.com/ you can see how Raqqa is being circled divided and cleared by the Kurds.

Alot of the ISIS fighters are surrendering to the Kurds as they know they are less likely to be killed (as opposed to surrendering to the SAA who will likely kill them or the Shia militias who are notorious for killing entire families in revenge will do it).

But the big danger is the kurds front line has now hit the SAA frontline, either side of the euphrates.

You think the Kurds are trying to make their own country after this?

[ParanoiD84]

You think the Kurds are trying to make their own country after this?

Well they have voted but pretty much everyone is against it some even threatened with war like turkey and iraq i think. Atleast i think they voted was like 2 weeks ago on the news.

[Polyxo]

It's definitely a legal grey area. It's kind of the same situation the US faced with Anwar al-Awlaki. However, this seems like Sally-Anne Jones may have been providing material assistance to ISIS, so the question is now, what level and degree of material assistance to a terrorist group justifies a kill order?

[Sundreamer]

i feel indifferent...she doesn't seem to be the type of person one would really care about in a positive way

[GreenJesus]

It's definitely a legal grey area. It's kind of the same situation the US faced with Anwar al-Awlaki. However, this seems like Sally-Anne Jones may have been providing material assistance to ISIS, so the question is now, what level and degree of material assistance to a terrorist group justifies a kill order?

How is it a grey area??? She is a terrorist. Kill all terrorists. No mercy.

[Deleted]

You think the Kurds are trying to make their own country after this?

The real move for a Kurdish state is happening in Iraq.
You can see by the land they are trying to take that they are creating defendable fronts (a border) but I think the kurds do not have the strength to carry out independence.
They are minnows in the region and the only way they can have any form of self determination is by playing the bigger powers off eachother. When you go to a Kurdish political meeting the American envoy will come in the Front door and as he does the Iranian Revolutionary Guards will leave via the backdoor. The Kurds are good at this balancing act but its fragile. Iraq, Turkey and Iran can all hit the Kurds very hard if they want too. The Kurds would look to the US for help, but with Trump in who knows. The US also has historically burned them especially in Iraq (infact the kurds have been betrayed by just about everyone) Once ISIS are smashed, does Washington need the Kurds? Probably not.

The Iraqi army is deploying in Kirkuk which will lead to a direct confrontation with Kurds in Iraq : https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...f-new-violence
Lots of oil fields there which the Kurds will need.

I personally think the Kurds are doomed. Theres a Taoist saying 'Heaven and Earth are heartless / treating creatures like straw dogs'
The explanation is : Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness. We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them. And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them.

This is the fate of the Kurds, straw dogs destined for sacrifice after thier purpose is served.

[Z-Man]

This is a forum for reflexive xenophobia. You are wasting your time. You might as well be reading Sartre to a cage full of monkeys.

That's because the monkeys insist on the original French printings.

[S7orm]

There is a much more fundamental question here.

How does one just hops on a plane "to Syria" and walk up to ISIS and say, "Hey! I wanna join!"

Trial and error. You learn arab, attend to mosque around you until you find one preaching hate or get to know someone else's attending that is connected with a radical group. You establish connection with them via internet until you're ready to join a group. After that you just take a plane to the nearest theocratic state and someone will probably be there will an ISIS school bus or something.

Infiltrating is usually a massive waste of resources (we're probably talking tens of millions per infiltrated agent). It's better to look for people already in those groups and use their already established connections to locate the other members or just monitor the borders and point a drone at them.

[Najnaj]

150 000 people die every day in the world and every single one of them is a little tragedy. This day there were 149 999 deaths that were more tragic.