Blizzard Diversity and Inclusion hiring initiative

[Venant]

I am convinced that many of these problems come from the fact that the education system in this country is largely an idiot factory. Society has moved in a direction where public schools are glorified daycare, and parents generally do a poor job educating their children. Second generation Asians do well in this country because their parents invest effort in raising their children, instead of trusting the government and mass media to do it.

Perhaps in the future, somebody will solve many of these education problems through technology, like creating an effective online method to deliver low cost skill training/re-training that is matched to positions that need filling in the economy. Or maybe most humans are just going to be replaced with robots and computers, and then who knows what happens... but I get the sense that skynet won't care much about diversity.

[Strangewayes]

This is an outrage. There is absolutely no way women and coloreds could ever have the same qualifications as a white man!

I guess this is the example of what the American education system is spitting out?

[Deletedaccount1]

I am convinced that many of these problems come from the fact that the education system in this country is largely an idiot factory. Society has moved in a direction where public schools are glorified daycare, and parents generally do a poor job educating their children. Second generation Asians do well in this country because their parents invest effort in raising their children, instead of trusting the government and mass media to do it.

Asians do well in American education largely because they have higher median IQs than other Americans. Tiger parenting (called authoritarian parenting in psychology) has to my knowledge, never been shown to positively affect life outcomes. Authoritative parenting can but Asian parents seldom fall into that category. Twin adoption studies (where twins separated from birth are raised in two households with different socioeconomic levels and parenting styles) generally show that life outcomes are affected more by genes than upbringing.

[pateuvasiliu]

This is an outrage. There is absolutely no way women and coloreds could ever have the same qualifications as a white man!

More like they shouldn't give people positions just because of their gender/blacks. Benevolent sexism is still sexism.

Also it fucks over white men.

[Very Tired]

Ok... lets try something else, because as far as I can see, too many people are dancing around the fact that Affirmative Action is racist and outright arguing against a dictionary. But don't fret it, this always happens in AA threads.

First of all... you guys know it's still racist to discriminate against white people? Good. Glad we are agreed on that.
Second, just because you think Affirmative Action has a noble goal, doesn't mean it's not racist or that it's a good idea. Every racist law in our country has had a positive sounding reasoning behind it. When they asked if we should legalize interracial marriage, many said no because their kids would be mixed race and therefore not accepted by anyone.

[Rennadrel]

Not to mention that there is no reason why those minorities cant start their own businesses and hire whomever they want and i am willing to put money that if an indian starts an indian game studio and hires only indians no one will call him out on not being "diverse" enough

The only people who care about diversity are beta white people who think they are doing good by actually hiring minorities over the best qualified candidate. Apparently the notion of being a hard worker and getting the best education is impossible for them to fathom and that they need to prove that visible minorities have the same qualifications (when education wise, an immigrant from certain areas is likely to have an inferior education) as a white person. Even worse is that it's only white men who can be subject to this blatant sexism and racism. Excuse us for working hard and actually wanting to be able to provide for our families and live comfortably!

[Doctor Amadeus]

The only people who care about diversity are beta white people who think they are doing good by actually hiring minorities over the best qualified candidate. Apparently the notion of being a hard worker and getting the best education is impossible for them to fathom and that they need to prove that visible minorities have the same qualifications (when education wise, an immigrant from certain areas is likely to have an inferior education) as a white person. Even worse is that it's only white men who can be subject to this blatant sexism and racism. Excuse us for working hard and actually wanting to be able to provide for our families and live comfortably!

The only people claiming white people are beta because they actually have an open mind and seek to be inclusive, instead of racist POS, who have no problem with diversity when they find their own People of Color that agree with them, OH sweet fucking Irony.

I suppose a person of color simply having a dumb ass ignorant fucking white supremacist viewpoint has merit, as long as you agree with them right.

[AeneasBK]

I suppose a person of color simply having a dumb ass ignorant fucking white supremacist viewpoint has merit, as long as you agree with them right.

I dunno I think white America should continue to try and have its cake and eat it too, then throw up its hands in disbelief at bordering the most dysfunctional society in a modern nation.

[Deleted]

As soon as a business starts recruitin based on race, culture, gender and what not instead of skill, experience and potential it will suffer heavily.

[Rennadrel]

The only people claiming white people are beta because they actually have an open mind and seek to be inclusive, instead of racist POS, who have no problem with diversity when they find their own People of Color that agree with them, OH sweet fucking Irony.

I suppose a person of color simply having a dumb ass ignorant fucking white supremacist viewpoint has merit, as long as you agree with them right.

Sorry, I don't believe in hiring someone based on their skin colour, you hire someone based on their qualifications, work ethic and drive. The only racist is the fool who values skin colour over skill in the working world

[Doctor Amadeus]

Sorry, I don't believe in hiring someone based on their skin colour, you hire someone based on their qualifications, work ethic and drive. The only racist is the fool who values skin colour over skill in the working world

That's a nice story have you ever heard the one about the three little pigs?


Yeah sorry but you don't get to make that claim if you conclude hiring someone who is black is automatically racist towards a white person or any other race you think would get that job or the job belongs to.

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I dunno I think white America should continue to try and have its cake and eat it too, then throw up its hands in disbelief at bordering the most dysfunctional society in a modern nation.

Cake is a Lie!

[Grimbold21]

That's a nice story have you ever heard the one about the three little pigs?


Yeah sorry but you don't get to make that claim if you conclude hiring someone who is black is automatically racist towards a white person or any other race you think would get that job or the job belongs to.

Then what should a person or company be called whose recruitment policies are based on race first and qualifications second?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Then what should a person or company be called whose recruitment policies are based on race first and qualifications second?

Well do you mean merit or qualifications? Because the Current jackass in the white house is fucking qualified according to some, even though nothing he has ever done in his life merits that.

That seems to be going swimmingly, I am 100% he was voted in because of his race and gender which is what it is. The problem is that he is a fucking moron.


I would offer up this example that hopefully clarifies things. Hiring someone based on their qualifications is fine, if that happens to also include race or gender great, that doesn't mean you hire the dumbest fucking person you can find, because that seems swell.

[Deleted]

As soon as a business starts recruitin based on race, culture, gender and what not instead of skill, experience and potential it will suffer heavily.

Well....you should be prepared.

First, the Congressional Black Caucus

Black lawmakers will travel to Silicon Valley to push diversity

Members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) will travel to Silicon Valley on Oct. 16 to press tech leaders to increase the diversity within their companies.

And right behind them comes the Congressional Hispanic Caucus


Hispanic lawmakers press tech for details on representation in Silicon Valley

The Congressional Hispanic Caucus says it wants major Silicon Valley firms to provide detailed statistics on diversity within their companies.

Caucus Chairwoman Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D-N.M.) and First Vice Chairman Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) requested that 32 technology firms including Amazon, Facebook and Uber provide Hispanic demographic numbers of their staffs, out of concern that the companies are not hiring enough Hispanic employees.

“Unfortunately, in tech and 'gig economy' companies, Hispanics are routinely underrepresented and underfunded,” Lujan Grisham and Castro wrote on Friday in a letter to the companies.

It always amazes me that the groups that call for inclusion and racial equality are always the ones that revel in separating themselves.


BTW, I will just leave this here, from 2015.....

https://magoosh.com/hs/sat/2016/2015...come-and-more/

Ethnicity

I’ve listed four of the largest ethnic groups to take the SAT in 2015, as well as their total mean scores from greatest to least.

Asian, Asian American, or Pacific Islander: 1654
White: 1576
Mexican or Mexican American: 1343
Black or African American: 1277

As you can see, Asians tend to score highest, while African Americans score lowest.

Maybe the reason there is not more Hispanics and Blacks in tech is that they are not pursuing those jobs?

[Grimbold21]

Well do you mean merit or qualifications? Because the Current jackass in the white house is fucking qualified according to some, even though nothing he has ever done in his life merits that.

That seems to be going swimmingly, I am 100% he was voted in because of his race and gender which is what it is. The problem is that he is a fucking moron.


I would offer up this example that hopefully clarifies things. Hiring someone based on their qualifications is fine, if that happens to also include race or gender great, that doesn't mean you hire the dumbest fucking person you can find, because that seems swell.

No, you didn't answer the question. What or why is merit a thing here for you?

I shouldn't really engage with your Trump example, but his "qualifications" argument is that he has none, as he demonstrates on a daily basis.

You agree that qualifications based recruitment is fine. That's all well and good but you screw up your remark by adding that if those qualifications include race and gender, then it's even better. As far as i know, race and gender are not qualifications, well, not if you're doing physical work and that usually only applies to gender.

So again, how should such a person/company should be labelled?

[Stop Pretending]

@Endus seeing how race threads aren't allowed, and you're willingly participating...

[Mehrunes]

Why are you assuming that diversity initiatives automatically equals non qualified people will get through? also those metrics get destroyed on a regular basis thanks to nepotism and most people don't bat an eye so either way I don't see it as a negative.

And pray tell, which part of my post conveyed any remarks about non qualified getting through? Because I'm not seeing it. I only called hiring based on diversity a non-qualification metric. Because unless you're a porn studio or the like, the sex of your employees is irrelevant. Race and other diversity traits even more so. It's as relevant to the hiring process as the blood type or eye color of the candidates.

And even then, that post wasn't critical of diversity initiatives. I constructed my question in a specific context. That being your posts, in which you praised diversity measures as some tool against nepotism, which would be the other non-qualification metric. But the non-qualification trait that is relevant to nepotism is connections (usually family ones). So I'm not really seeing the logical link between nepotism and diversity measures for you to bring nepotism up multiple times in the context of diversity initiatives. One would think that non-qualification metric conveyed in diversity programs would be supposed to combat perceived discrimination. Discrimination based on, you know, diversity.

[primalmatter]

Wouldn't it be better for everyone if we just... stopped ?

Made hiring based on meritocracy ? We wouldnt even have to add incentives or punishments since businesses would naturally be rewarded for hiring the best.

This seems like a problem made to find a answer.

[MikeBogina]

No one's race, gender or any other distinctions should ever be taken into consideration for a job. That's just fucking ridiculous and is on the same level as refusing someone a job because of those some differences. You should always want the best and consumers want to receive the best service and product from a company.


You make it sound not only like people who are not straight white males seem inferior in the work place, but also anyone who is black, female or possibly gay who were already in those fields now have to have a stigma that people think they only got into those positions because of quotas.

It's on the same level of stupidity as Black History Month. It's degrading to the black community and comes off as if those achievements don't matter so we need a month to give them special treatment.

[Doctor Amadeus]

No, you didn't answer the question. What or why is merit a thing here for you?

I shouldn't really engage with your Trump example, but his "qualifications" argument is that he has none, as he demonstrates on a daily basis.

You agree that qualifications based recruitment is fine. That's all well and good but you screw up your remark by adding that if those qualifications include race and gender, then it's even better. As far as i know, race and gender are not qualifications, well, not if you're doing physical work and that usually only applies to gender.

So again, how should such a person/company should be labelled?

Ok let me rephrase then.

If I hire someone as a professional, there might be many different things I consider when doing so. If I for instance wanted to hire someone to help me secure clients for an investment firm, I might very likely consider race, gender or anything else, when I decide on hiring. As I said it can very well be part of the qualifications.

Is race MERIT, is that what you are trying to get, because NO it isn't.


But you can throw the term MERIT around all you want, and while it doesn't mean race, that doesn't someone of a particular race who is qualified can't have merit, that is the view point I fucking reject.

I also don't bow to this absurd line that well get rid of quotas or take up causes specifically to reject or fuck over people of color because YOU or anybody else feels particularly fucking fragile about it. You could even resurrect Martin Luther King himself to come say otherwise.


As far as labeling people, I would like to find the people doing the labeling because I personally rather fire their asses. Those people should be the first labeled as idiots.

Everyone else, should be left the hell alone, regardless to skin or color, hell even if they slept their way to the top, or had a relative or buddy get them hired.

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No one's race, gender or any other distinctions should ever be taken into consideration for a job. That's just fucking ridiculous and is on the same level as refusing someone a job because of those some differences. You should always want the best and consumers want to receive the best service and product from a company.


You make it sound not only like people who are not straight white males seem inferior in the work place, but also anyone who is black, female or possibly gay who were already in those fields now have to have a stigma that people think they only got into those positions because of quotas.

It's on the same level of stupidity as Black History Month. It's degrading to the black community and comes off as if those achievements don't matter so we need a month to give them special treatment.

Hahaha I like this convenient bullshit clip posted on YouTube out of context and applied across the board as if anybody elected Morgan Freeman to speak on behalf of anybody, or that because of his skin that should have more weight.

The notion in and of itself is racist.

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Wouldn't it be better for everyone if we just... stopped ?

Made hiring based on meritocracy ? We wouldnt even have to add incentives or punishments since businesses would naturally be rewarded for hiring the best.

This seems like a problem made to find a answer.

No, it wouldn't because you don't know the first thing about merit, nor would I suspect you actually cared. This isn't about merit, this is about your agenda.