Active shooter on Las Vegas strip.

[Bodakane]

Sounds like a good way to arbitrarily revoke people's right to bear arms...oh wait. The authority is not granted to the state to do that.

Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.

And if you're actually worried about getting caught in a mass shooting, you're irrational. You should be more scared of your bathroom.

The right to bear arms has already been infringed. People aren't allowed to have working bazookas.

[Ghostpanther]

If you think that, you don't know what gun control means.

You mean we both disagree on how far gun control should go.

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The right to bear arms has already been infringed. People aren't allowed to have working bazookas.

Oh bull. The reference in the Constitution was to the common arms one used and could carry at the time. Pistols and rifles. Consider how hard it would be to bare ( carry ) a cannon. :P

[Mormolyce]

You mean we both disagree on how far gun control should go.

What you are referring to is not gun control at all.

[Ghostpanther]

What you are referring to is not gun control at all.

For you and your country. Which is fine.

[Sama-81]

For comparison, the last time we had an attempted mass shooting, the guy was armed with a 50 year old shotgun (it was imported before the law that made registration required). He killed two people plus himself.

While I'm certainly not supporting the gun culture or gun laws of the US, it obviously isn't that easy in all cases. Here, for example, we're having large problems with shootings (for us, certainly not anywhere near the US obviously). It's increasing more and more - the other day, for example, some guy shot four people, which is almost unheard of in a longer perspective, and handgrenades being thrown isn't uncommon. So where does all the weapons come from? Smuggled here from the Balkans and Eastern Europe - basically zero weapons actually come from this country, or were bought here legally, and we entirely lack any sort of gun culture apart from hunting rifles (which would also be 'proven' by the fact that a very small percentage of shooters are actually ethnic natives - but that's another matter entirely). Point being, that while I'm on your side regarding the US-situation, your country isn't really a particularly good example, or representative of harsh gun laws, either.

[Allybeboba]

Doesn’t Switzerland issue a gun to each and every adult male? And it has the lowest gun related crime rate in the civilized word too!
Their gun crime rate is so low it isn’t even kept.

[Wrinkle]

Doesn’t Switzerland issue a gun to each and every adult male? And it has the lowest gun related crime rate in the civilized word too!
Their gun crime rate is so low it isn’t even kept.

They also train every adult male.

[TITAN308]

They also train every adult male.

It has nothing to do with training and everything to do with it being more or less a homogenized society.

They lack some of the more uh... vibrant(?), sub-cultures of the USA.

[primalmatter]

It has nothing to do with training and everything to do with me being more or less a homogenized society.

Shush diversity is our strength... we cant prove it but it must be true.

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Doesn’t Switzerland issue a gun to each and every adult male? And it has the lowest gun related crime rate in the civilized word too!
Their gun crime rate is so low it isn’t even kept.

Switzerland has strict restrictions on the movement, transference, ownership and registration of guns. You can't just walk out of a psychiatric hospital and buy a shitload of semi-automatic weapons as you can in the US.

Gun ownership isn't the only problem in the US. It is the extremely lax enforcement or non-existent of legislation around their usage.

[gyrados]

gun control laws dont work cause a madman is gonna get a gun or something to else to act out his violence

[Allybeboba]

Switzerland has strict restrictions on the movement, transference, ownership and registration of guns. You can't just walk out of a psychiatric hospital and buy a shitload of semi-automatic weapons as you can in the US.

Gun ownership isn't the only problem in the US. It is the extremely lax enforcement or non-existent of legislation around their usage.

Yet each and every adult male is issued a gun in Switzerland and it has the lowest crime rate in the civilized world.
One just has to wonder why their crime rate is so low. Surely there have been studies done on this phenomenon.

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Yet each and every adult male is issued a gun in Switzerland and it has the lowest crime rate in the civilized world.
One just has to wonder why their crime rate is so low. Surely there have been studies done on this phenomenon.

Switzerland has the strictest gun controls of any civilized nation that allows guns at all. It is an exemplar of effective regulation as much as it is an example of legalization.

[Allybeboba]

Switzerland has the strictest gun controls of any civilized nation that allows guns at all. It is an exemplar of effective regulation as much as it is an example of legalization.

I don’t know about that. Mexico has pretty strict gun laws. You can only possess a firearm in your home.
Japan’s gun laws are among the strictest as well. Their weapons law starts with “no one shall possess a firearm or firearms or sword or swords...”

That still doesn’t explain why they(Switzerland) have such low crime rate but a high gun ownership among males.

[Bodakane]

Oh bull. The reference in the Constitution was to the common arms one used and could carry at the time. Pistols and rifles. Consider how hard it would be to bare ( carry ) a cannon. :P

Oh bullshit nothing.

Bare arms means having weapons. Just because your argument is wrong doesn't mean you get rewrite things like the Constitution. People, were, in fact, allowed to have cannons, btw.

And if it was meant for weapons of the time, then everyone can go back to carrying weapons of that time.

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Doesn’t Switzerland issue a gun to each and every adult male? And it has the lowest gun related crime rate in the civilized word too!
Their gun crime rate is so low it isn’t even kept.

Yes, clearly they are responsible enough to handle such things and we Americans are obviously not.

Maybe we'd learn to be better stewards of our fellow man, if we adopted more socialist policies like Scandanvia.

[TITAN308]

Yes, clearly they are responsible enough to handle such things and we Americans are obviously not.

Maybe we'd learn to be better stewards of our fellow man, if we adopted more socialist policies like Scandanvia.

Or we just didn't have some degenerate sub-cultures.

[Venant]

So a 28 year old girl who was a survivor of the shooting and made statements that there were multiple shooters was found dead the other day. Apparently she just randomly died in her sleep. Seems like the media isn't even really covering this one.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4553338/la...-unexpectedly/
http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/201...-dies-suddenly

Her archived statement and an excerpt from it:

http://archive.is/cgRzy#selection-933.0-933.182

while still running, I called my grandma to tell her the exact same thing. But the gunfire wasn’t stopping this whole time. It wasn’t ceasing. It wasn’t slowing down. And It was directly behind us, following us. Bullets were coming from every direction. Behind us, in front of us, to the side of us. But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way. The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one.
As we were running, we kept changing direction, because it felt like no matter what direction we took, we were being followed. So we ended up running in a weird triangular path. The first place I remember getting to was a parking lot, and I told Casie (who was slightly in front of me) we needed to get under one of the trucks. She turned to me and started her way back to me, and that is when the gunfire got even CLOSER than ever before. It was RIGHT THERE. It was within the parking lot. Everyone around us was panicking once again. So we ditched the idea of getting underneath a vehicle, and we continued the run for our lives. If you know me, you know I am a big girl, who is out of shape, and who definitely does not run for any reason. But I can tell you I ran like I have never run before.

[TITAN308]

As if pretty much all other countries didn't have to deal with "troublesome sub-cultures" of comparable relative numbers. Get a grip. There are assholes all around the world in pretty much equal amounts per area on average. You (the US) are not "special" in the way you think you are. Come back to Earth for a second, will ya?

I'm sorry, you are wrong.

Switzerland is a nearly homogenized society, especially so if compared directly to the USA.

Sorry that ruins your narrative.

[Ghostpanther]

Oh bullshit nothing.

Bare arms means having weapons. Just because your argument is wrong doesn't mean you get rewrite things like the Constitution. People, were, in fact, allowed to have cannons, btw.

And if it was meant for weapons of the time, then everyone can go back to carrying weapons of that time.

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It is bullshit. The right to bare Arms, has been interpreted long before you or I was born, to mean firearms. And of course at the time it meant what was commonly used. As it does for now. :P

We have very severe restrictions on certain types of weapons and none of those which are not commonly carried by the public, have been found to be a unconstitutional restriction. Only in the case of handguns has it been ruled to be when authorities tried to ban them. :P

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Oh yes yeah. The US is soooo special. Entirely exceeding any comparison in the world. Such country. Wow...


Therefore it's super reasonable to make it very easy for said madman to acquire a gun. Got it.


As if pretty much all other countries didn't have to deal with "troublesome sub-cultures" of comparable relative numbers. Get a grip. There are assholes all around the world in pretty much equal amounts per area on average. You (the US) are not "special" in the way you think you are. Come back to Earth for a second, will ya?

We are special. Which is one reason we have millions all the time trying to enter here. :P We helped to save Europe and Asia from two tyrants. I would say we are very special.

There is only one other country which has anything close to our Second Amendment. Guatemala. And ours is much older than theirs is. Another specialty.

And who says the shooter was a madman to the extent of being mentally incapable of responsible decisions? He knew exactly what he was doing, planned it carefully. Does not sound like a mental case who fly's off the rocker instantly. He had his weapons legally. There was no legal reason to deny them.

There are many countries around the world who have not had to deal with our cultural history or share our border type environments.

[Bodakane]

It is bullshit. The right to bare Arms, has been interpreted long before you or I was born, to mean firearms. And of course at the time it meant what was commonly used. As it does for now. :P

We have very severe restrictions on certain types of weapons and none of those which are not commonly carried by the public, have been found to be a unconstitutional restriction. Only in the case of handguns has it been ruled to be when authorities tried to ban them. :P

No, now that is bullshit.

Arms does not mean firearms. You are literally making that up. Arms means weapons. And again, if it did mean what is commonly used then, well, we aren't using what was commonly used then. You cannot have it both ways.

And please explain, how your second paragraph makes sense. Of course arms with "severe restrictions" aren't commonly carried by the public....I mean what the fuck do you think severe restrictions do if not keep the public from carrying them? Also, isn't your guys whole stupid argument that restrictions won;t stop people from having guns, yet you're pointing out that restrictions stop people from carrying things like bazookas and full autos.

The simple fact of the matter is that outside of NRA the term "arms" refers to weapons not firearms. I mean for fucksake the word firearm has been around since the 1600's. Tell me, why do you think the FFs were so stupid that they used the wrong word to describe firearms. Hell, why do you think there is a word firearm if not to specify the difference between arms and firearms?