So when is the Women's March for this going to happen?
"It doesn't matter if you believe me or not but common sense doesn't really work here. You're mad, I'm mad. We're all MAD here."
RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18
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The option of the guy shouldn't be trying this shit on in the first place should exist though. There shouldn't be space within any company structure for a someone setting up one on one interviews in their hotel room. The potential for abuse is so obvious, that it's obvious what's happening.
Make no mistake, any woman that was actually forcibly assaulted/raped is a victim. But these cases of "he invited me to his room and got handsy so I left" are not. Just because a swat on the ass is "sexual assault" now doesn't change the fact that it wasn't that big of a deal a few decades ago. It seems to be a growing trend to judge the past by the standards of the present, but that's just an expression of ignorance. Something being "wrong" now doesn't necessarily mean it was "wrong" then and certainly doesn't entitle someone to some sort of recompense because standards have changed.
Well said.
They're certainly not all innocent, either.
Right. No force/threat, no coercion.
In most civilized countries, it is. The exception does not change the rule.
So basically, everyone should post it. Especially if using modern standards.
Last edited by Mistame; 2017-10-16 at 05:57 PM.
Not a woman, couldn't really say. I am not in any position to tell women what is worth how much to them, or how they should speak out. All I can do is support them by listening and understanding.
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I'm not sure if you agree with me or not on this part. But just to be clear in case you don't agree.
"Employer: Will you reconsider if I make some calls to other studios to soil your reputation? "
That is coercion.
co·er·cion
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
The threat here being ruining someone's career if they don't have sex with them.
RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18
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Sorry, I replied in such a way because I took the way you asked as a snarky, "Oh yeah? Where is your women's march now?" As if this is being done half heartedly and not worth the effort.
Perhaps I read too much into it.
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Threatening to call other studios to ruin someone's career is a threat the way I see it. I could agree that it is not a physical threat though. However the definition doesn't specify that it must be a physical threat.
RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18
Your name will carry on through generations, and will never be forgotten.
just becasue something is not sexual assault, doesn't somehow change that it IS harassment. ffs. no, the dude, who kept bothering me on the train didn't rape me. but it doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't fucking take no for a goddamn answer. THAT is the problem. TAKE A FUCKING NO FOR AN ANSWER. if someone asks you to stop talking to them? this is NOT a code word for "i must try harder" its a "STOP TALKING TO ME" harassment is continuing acting towards someone in a way that they asked you to stop.
moreover, using your power and influence to coerce someone into actions they would rather not do, doesn't excuse the coercion. ITS. NOT. OK. a person choosing to do something desperate out of desperation doesn't mean you are doing just fine, YOU ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES, KNOWING THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT otherwise.
that so many people here are excusing it and accusing people being harassed instead for being in the wrong? is horrifying and EXACTLY the problem
edited to add. and btw, because this IS personal I only shared a single experience out of many, this being the experience I'm willing to share because its one of the more minor ones. becasue even with support of #metoo opening yourself up to even more harassment of the "it was your own fault for existing when they could see you" is just pouring salt on the wounds.
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#MeToo
Sloth from The Goonies grabbed my ass one time. So traumatic.
"I'm not stuck in the trench, I'm maintaining my rating."
RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18
Your name will carry on through generations, and will never be forgotten.
All the other options but this very rigid scenario appeal not to the agent's capability for decision, even a costly yet correct one, but instead to some greater power to sweep by and remove the scenario from existance or in some way or another punish the person proposing for daring to make the proposition, while the offered party is completly passive and incapable of making a deliberation regarding his own circunstances.
He is not even the one to point the wrong in the other party - it is some other agent (The government, the business standards, whatever).
The point of a rigid scenario is to put the proposed person back in the spotlight it deserves.
I was merely pointing out the difference between actual coercion and what some people seem to be calling "coercion". Using a supposed position of power isn't "coercion" unless it involves a threat (or force). The difference being, for example, "He said he'd ruin my career if I didn't..." vs "I felt like he could ruin my career if I didn't..."
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A very verbose reply for a very simple question. If I am reading the delightful run-on correctly, you have created a scenario separate from the harassment/abuse conversation. In this created scenario, you are only giving two options - correct? Fully realizing that this scenario you have created is not something that would happen in the real world as there are multiple choices and reactions to any given situation.
Makes sense.
Though this brings something to mind that happens with young women. A young woman (we'll say she is not physically active) is alone with a jock who is pushing up on her for sex. I have heard from women who have been in this situation who were afraid to say no because he was bigger than them, and intimidating. Even if they are sheepish about it, not really jumping at the chance to have sex, they will allow it to happen out of fear of being physically forced into it.
How is that categorized? I personally know a couple women who were in this situation when they were really young.
[This is not a gotcha thing or anything like that in case anyone is offended by the question. I am genuinely curious how that is perceived in the context of harassment/sexual abuse/rape]
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RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18
Your name will carry on through generations, and will never be forgotten.