Gov. Rick Scott declares emergency ahead of white nationalist speech at UF

[Garnier Fructis]

I wish it wasn’t so far away. No interest In Listening to a Nazi (assuming this person actully is one I have no idea who the name is) but I would love to stand in solidarity with fellow Americans to stop liberals from continuing to hurt innocent people.

No interest in listening to a Nazi, but interested in standing in solidarity with one?

[oxymoronic]

And Nazis will continue being the racist, authoritarian asshats they've always been. It's good to know you are such a strong supporter of white nationalists.

of course they are supported over violators of the law. are you saying you support rioting and intimidation? over free speech? wow

[unfilteredJW]

No interest in listening to a Nazi, but interested in standing in solidarity with one?

Gotta get those gosh darn liberal tears flowing!

[oxymoronic]

No interest in listening to a Nazi, but interested in standing in solidarity with one?

did you really just say fellow americans = nazi?

[Machismo]

of course they are supported over violators of the law. are you saying you support rioting and intimidation? over free speech? wow

I choose to support neither any asshat who goes to the rally in support of it, nor anyone who wishes to instigate political violence.

[Machismo]

did you really just say fellow americans = nazi?

Fellow Americans who happen to be attending a Nazi rally. Yeah, I'd say calling them Nazis is pretty damn appropriate.

[Barnabas]

He should let the identity idiots fight it out in public square. Since the messaging is always I can't live in the same country with people that don't share the same views I do. Maybe we can remove some of them through their bad choices of getting so wound up in stupid.

[Machismo]

Now hold on a second, we haven't even seen the tiki torches yet.

Oh, I'm sue they'll have them.

[kail]

It's a shame money has to be spent on security just to allow someone to speak.

[A dot Ham]

That case is about a ban of speech in the city. That's quite a huge difference from not allowing it at a specific venue.

As a public institution, if its reasons for changing the venue (which they are) are fear of

disputes, unrest, or "stir[ring] people to anger."

then they are absolutely bound by that ruling.

The ruling itself says nothing about when and where free speech is inhibited but rather regardless of the content free speech should be observed and protected by the government. Which ultimately is irrelevant anyway. Supreme court rulings are not structured in a way as to narrowly specific to the case at hand. They are in fact there to interpret the spirit of the law as it applies to the constitution. If you're being honest I believe you know that this absolutely applies and making the case that city is different from venue is splitting hairs and that the university is in violation of the first amendment.

As a public institution the message should not be filtered based on its content or who delivers it.

Oh you're republican... well we can offer you the... basement.

Oh you're democrat... well here is our newly refurbished Glistening Grand Hall.

Politics aside... on principle our universities should be encouraging the free exchange of ideas, especially given the plethora of BAD ideas coming from these schools. Someone needs to be able to say... yo that idea is fucking terrible.

For example. As a republican... if I were to choose to protest against a white nationalist. I would probably blow up huge pictures of what REAL Nazis really did during WWII some of the most gruesome images of the last century.

THIS


Is synonymous with this:
[Insert Gruesome Picture Here]

[Barnabas]

It's a shame money has to be spent on security just to allow someone to speak.

Well Mr. Spencer dived into identity politics and this is the result. It doesn't matter what side of it you are on either.

[Machismo]

No no. You misunderstand. I want to stand far away from the Nazis, with the rational centrist people there, showing liberals we will not tolerate violent reactions to speech.

Who are the rational centrist people at these rallies?

You do realize that the Nazis were the main form of violence at the last major rally, right?

Enjoy that solidarity with your fellow "rational centrists."

[Machismo]

Basically. They have caused me much more hardship in my life then Nazi. I forgot they were a thing after history classes untill literally this year.

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The rational people there would be the ones disavowing both sides and demanding rationality and common sense be brought back to America... like duuuhhh.

But you said you wanted to go to yell at liberals... not at the Nazis...

[Kaleredar]

Counter protesting in this sense is dumb. The people who support this dude are just as extreme as him so any rational discussion goes right out the window. What does that leave? Slandering, insulting, and potentially violence. Just go home and ignore these people. All they're doing is preaching to the choir and won't get anywhere. Just because I disagree with something doesn't mean I have to tell those people I disagree, they already know and being there wouldn't change their minds.

Showing these people that they're not wanted prevents them from finding followers.

You don't let a festering wound go untreated and hope that it just goes away. Ignoring the nazis didn't work the first time.

[Machismo]

Yup. I edited my post above to make that very thing clear before you quoted. The Nazi are in a building hurting no one. The liberals are in the streets disrupting society. One is a much larger threat by any measurable index.

Well, except the Nazis pushed the candidate they wanted into the White House, and they support ethnic cleansing. The immigration laws have already been restricted towards authoritarianism, just as they wanted. That immigration push alone has disrupted people far more than the liberal rioters have.

[Garnier Fructis]

No no. You misunderstand. I want to stand far away from the Nazis, with the rational centrist people there, showing liberals we will not tolerate violent reactions to speech.

I would hope that a rational centrist would be there peacefully protesting white nationalists instead of trying to show liberals anything.

[Milchshake]

I would hope that a rational centrist would be there peacefully protesting white nationalists instead of trying to show liberals anything.

It's uncanny how "woke centrists" simply want to put minorities, lgbt, and feminists back in their place. Which is exactly the same thing that neo-nazi want to do.

They also share dark fantasies of glee when liberals or minority protesters get run over.

They air these inner thoughts aloud. Yet get mad at other people who call them out.

[Garnier Fructis]

As a public institution, if its reasons for changing the venue (which they are) are fear of then they are absolutely bound by that ruling.

Even the majority opinion in the case you linked says that it is not absolute, and cites Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire.

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It's uncanny how "woke centrists" simply want to put minorities, lgbt, and feminists back in their place. Which is exactly the same thing that neo-nazi want to do.

They also share dark fantasies of glee when liberals or minority protesters get run over.

They air these inner thoughts aloud. Yet get mad at other people who call them out.

People claiming to be centrist on this forum, I take with a grain of salt.
@TheOne01 if your reaction to a white nationalist rally or speech is to take issue with liberals protesting it, then you aren't centrist. You probably aren't even moderate right.

[Zeta333]

Simply increase to cost for rent.

Or maby they could start jailing the fuckwads that cause the need for 500 police and actually bring charges up on them so future people will protest peacefully and not like unkempt assholes

[Zython]

Honestly we should be asking why the UoF wants to hold this event. In the end it isn't Spencers event, its the Universities event. They should shoulder the cost of security, the same way they would if it was a big football game. Whether they choose to pass on the cost to the speaker is on them, maybe they have a budget allotment for that kinda thing that allows it. Maybe they decide its worth it to them to provide a wide spectrum of ideas to spend the money. Maybe they don't, but it really should be on them.

They don't. Richard Spencer's attorney is threatening litigation if they don't let him.

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Or maby they could start jailing the fuckwads that cause the need for 500 police and actually bring charges up on them so future people will protest peacefully and not like unkempt assholes

True. If we could arrest the Nazis for instigating murder, that would be a fantastic start.