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    Quote Originally Posted by Selastan View Post
    How can Chuck be Jiren when he is clearly Zen-Oh
    How can Chuck Norris be Zen-Oh, if they're his children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rarhyx View Post
    He is both
    he tests everyone on the battlefield
    How can he test the battlefield, if he IS the battlefield?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dankdruid View Post
    where is universe 7's Hit
    Plotted by the Plot of Plot. Thank to the Plot, U7's Plot doesn't have a Hit Plot. Toriyama's Plot is too Plottish for Hit to Plot his own U7 counter-Plot. If you Plot what i'm Plotting.

    Guess I HIT The Plot too hard. This sentence has PLOTTED the Ground of Plot.

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    Alright so

    I need to see the Lorax fight Frieza

    He is the Lorax he speaks for justice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Alright so

    I need to see the Lorax fight Frieza

    He is the Lorax he speaks for justice!
    Clearly you mean Eggman


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    Toppo

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    I actually really like Toppo. As goofy as his design is, he's pretty cool when he's in the thick of fighting. His Justice Flash against UI Goku was an awesome scene.

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    Anyone can use Ultra Instinct.

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    apparently, Goku loses against Toppo in the manga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    apparently, Goku loses against Toppo in the manga.
    w..wha? how? why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skorpionss View Post
    w..wha? how? why?
    out of the bounds apparently.

    and Toppo outright says that Jiren is above GoD power level wise.

    so much about keeping it as a big reveal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    out of the bound apparently.

    and Toppo outright says that Jiren is above GoD power level wise.

    so much about keeping it as a big reveal.
    This is in the Tournament right? not in the exhibition vs U9?... wth u doing toyotaro... anyway glad I dropped the manga, seems like a waste of time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skorpionss View Post
    This is in the Tournament right? not in the exhibition vs U9?... wth u doing toyotaro... anyway glad I dropped the manga, seems like a waste of time...
    something like that.

    all GoD's fight each other until Grand Priest stops them.

    then Goku fights Toppo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    something like that.

    all GoD's fight each other until Grand Priest stops them.

    then Goku fights Toppo.
    oh so it's not in the tournament proper? still weird that goku would let himself lose like that, maybe tactics to make the other universes underestimate him? still out of character for goku though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skorpionss View Post
    oh so it's not in the tournament proper? still weird that goku would let himself lose like that, maybe tactics to make the other universes underestimate him? still out of character for goku though...
    its like the Exhibition match, except that GoD's are fighting instead of those dogs, Gohan and Majin Buu in the anime.

    though Goku loses against Toppo fair and square unless I missed something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    its like the Exhibition match, except that GoD's are fighting instead of those dogs, Gohan and Majin Buu in the anime.

    though Goku loses against Toppo fair and square unless I missed something.
    I mean I doubt he went full power blue x20 Kaio Ken... not that he lost on purpose... more like, underestimated toppo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skorpionss View Post
    I mean I doubt he went full power blue x20 Kaio Ken... not that he lost on purpose... more like, underestimated toppo
    he doesn't have Kaioken in the manga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    he doesn't have Kaioken in the manga.
    well okay then...

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    In the anime Goku lost to Buu by ring out because he wasn't paying full attention, Goku tends to be forgetful of certain details.

    Actually makes sense for them to depict Toppo as being able to get the better of him, since that'll make Jiren look that much tougher when he shows up. Toppo's at Goku Blue level anyway, he should be super though. Technically, Goku wasn't sure if he could beat him in the anime either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Out of character? To lose?
    Well it is Goku.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Not like he's never lost a fight though, is it? lol
    Especially in Super.

    Goku couldn't beat:
    Beerus
    Frieza (because of Frieza cheating)
    Hit
    Black/Zamasu

    Matter of fact, I think it's fair to say that Dragonball Super has Goku jobbing most of the time. Probably to try to even out his Win/Lose ratio from Dragonball and Z.

    Or maybe not to even out the w/l ratio...

    Dragonball Z victories:
    Goku had to sacrifice his life to stop Radditz, I guess that counts as a tie. 0
    Goku beats Nappa +1
    Loses against Vegeta -1 (Vegeta lost to the combined efforts of Krillin, Gohan and that Yajirobe with Goku's broken body playing a small support role at the end).
    Defeats Recoom, and Burta. Jiece retreats to fetch Ginyu. +2
    Loses against Ginyu. -1
    Wins against Ginyu when Goku traps Ginyu in a frog's body. +1 I guess?
    Beats Frieza: +1
    Loses against 19 due to heart attack: -1
    forfeits against Cell: -1
    Gets sucker punched by Vegeta: -1
    Barely pulls off a win against Kid Buu: +1

    So it's totally not out of character for Goku to lose. He's done enough of it throughout DBZ anyway.
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