Russian Antivirus software linked to new leak of NSA malware

[Tackhisis]

These days there is no need to use additional AV software, what is built in is more than sufficient.

It is not. Windows Defender is just basic signature antivirus/antispyware, without any advanced technics to combat unknown threats.

[LMuhlen]

When everything regarding Russia magically appears roughly at the same point in time, it starts to make me wonder if it is indeed Russia who is doing all these crazy stuff, or if it is just a massive anti-Russia propaganda plot to guide public opinion.

If someone did want to turn public opinion against Russia, this would be a very sound plan, making it look like the Russians are manipulating Americans in every way, when it is widely known that Americans hate being played by other countries.

Probably just the conspiracy theorist in me talking... but I'll keep watching all this with an open mind.

[schwarzkopf]

It is not.

Of course it is .... anything more is like nuking yourself to protect from cancer, a futile and irrational response.

Anything more and you've effectively installed a virus on your machine anyway, stops apps working, degrades performance etc.

[Haven]

Which of those adjectives isn't completely true? They are clearly hostile to the United States government, as well as that of many Western European countries. They are very authoritarian, and easily in the bottom half of countries in the freedom index. There's no freedom of speech, no free expression, no freedom of the press.

No thanks.

Tell me more about the country I live in and how I'm being oppressed, I'm all attention It's ironic how you speak about freedom of expression while Washington persecutes RT and Sputnik for having opinion different from the official line of the party.

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I thought the argument was sending personal information out. Not stats on a virus. There is no reason to send out street address, phone number, name, sex, birthday, etc.to analyse a virus. Why would someone need to maintain a data base on how many time some living on main st in Iowa named Kevin gets a Virus? There isn't unless you are using said information for some other reason.

Um, read the title and OP again maybe?

[Machismo]

Tell me more about the country I live in and how I'm being oppressed, I'm all attention It's ironic how you speak about freedom of expression while Washington persecutes RT and Sputnik for having opinion different from the official line of the party.

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Um, read the title and OP again maybe?

Did I say you were oppressed? You have already shown you support the oppressing of gay people. So, there's quite a few people right there. There's also the restrictions on the press and freedom of speech. So, that's the start.

In your attempt to deflect, you failed to quote me where I said I support oppression when my government does it. Good luck in trying to find it. But hey, at least you feel compelled to try and defend your government's attempt to oppress others.

[Haven]

Did I say you were oppressed? You have already shown you support the oppressing of gay people. So, there's quite a few people right there. There's also the restrictions on the press and freedom of speech. So, that's the start.

In your attempt to deflect, you failed to quote me where I said I support oppression when my government does it. Good luck in trying to find it. But hey, at least you feel compelled to try and defend your government's attempt to oppress others.

Whoa whoa whoa that's a huge load of bull's feces you try to put in my mouth. It's understandable; otherwise you won't feel moral superiority. And please give me examples on how Russia restricts press in a way that Western countries don't. Because RT and Sputnik are being quite actually persecuted. While Dozhd, Echo of Moscow and Voice of America still exist in Russia for some unconceivable reason.

You do support your government's oppression by going along with their persecution of Kaspersky for actually doing its job. It's not Kaspersky's fault that American intelligence has so many idiots that leak stuff left and right.

[Machismo]

Whoa whoa whoa that's a huge load of bull's feces you try to put in my mouth. It's understandable; otherwise you won't feel moral superiority. And please give me examples on how Russia restricts press in a way that Western countries don't. Because RT and Sputnik are being quite actually persecuted. While Dozhd, Echo of Moscow and Voice of America still exist in Russia for some unconceivable reason.

You do support your government's oppression by going along with their persecution of Kaspersky for actually doing its job. It's not Kaspersky's fault that American intelligence has so many idiots that leak stuff left and right.

Once again, is it Kaspersky's job to work with Russian intelligence? Sorry, I don't support oppression, nice try.

Are you saying you think gay people should be allowed to get married, have pride parades, and adopt children? Or are you like the large majority of Russians who oppose such things?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia

https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...ss/2016/russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lled_in_Russia

Once again, you seem to think that opposing oppression by one government means support for another. Sorry, that's not what I'm doing. Your attempt to label me on something failed again.

[Crissi]

Seems to be a PEBKAC problem more than anything else.

Lets get mad at an anti-virus software doing what its supposed to do and not at the idiot who had classified shit on his personal computer that broke security rules!

[Haven]

Once again, is it Kaspersky's job to work with Russian intelligence? Sorry, I don't support oppression, nice try.

Proof?

Are you saying you think gay people should be allowed to get married, have pride parades, and adopt children? Or are you like the large majority of Russians who oppose such things?

Why should I support them either? Lack of active LGBT agenda makes me an oppressor?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia

https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...ss/2016/russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lled_in_Russia

Once again, you seem to think that opposing oppression by one government means support for another. Sorry, that's not what I'm doing. Your attempt to label me on something failed again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Duh. You label things, but selectively. Why don't you start with your own country then? Yeah, you're against oppression by anyone, anywhere, as you say, but somehow you conveniently omit the facts of oppression in your contry and see oppression exclusively in countries that your government brands as enemies...

[Machismo]

Proof?

Why should I support them either? Lack of active LGBT agenda makes me an oppressor?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Duh. You label things, but selectively. Why don't you start with your own country then? Yeah, you're against oppression by anyone, anywhere, as you say, but somehow you conveniently omit the facts of oppression in your contry and see oppression exclusively in countries that your government brands as enemies...

Your desire to prevent equal rights to gay people is what makes you anti-gay. It's not that difficult. Thanks for proving my point for me.

But, since you brought it up, do you see a difference with the amount of people and the reasons for those deaths?

I love that you keep trying to turn this around, as if I somehow support oppression within my own country. Unlike you, I'm willing to call out my government when they do bad things. Your whataboutisms are pitiful.

Now, if you can find a single example of me supporting oppression within my own country, feel free to point it out. If you can't, I'll expect you to retract your claim.

"Duh. You label things, but selectively. Why don't you start with your own country then? Yeah, you're against oppression by anyone, anywhere, as you say, but somehow you conveniently omit the facts of oppression in your contry and see oppression exclusively in countries that your government brands as enemies... "

Seriously, go ahead and try and back it up.

[Tackhisis]

anything more is like nuking yourself to protect from cancer, a futile and irrational response.

Why have an antivirus at all, if all it can do is to protect you from threats 1-2 days old at best? Do you know there are toolkits existing, which can generate customized versions of malware, randomized so they won't trigger the simpler AV software? Only the real-time behavior analysis can provide the effective data and personal information protection.

Good antiviruses do not "stop applications from functioning" or "degrading performance", because they have caches and whitelists. Windows Defender has none of this.

[schwarzkopf]

Why have an antivirus at all,

Easy - I have an antivirus on my computer for the same reason I have locks on my doors.

To stop people getting into the house.

Pretty simple. I've not had a virus infection on any of my computers for the 30+ years I've been running computers.

However - I frequently spend time with customers having their computers screwed up because of AV software, including major data loss etc.

What I don't have an anti virus for is to slow down my computer, make it unreliable and prone to application failure and crashing.

Now of course - I could build a solid titanium box around my house with no holes in it to GUARANTEE no-one gets in, but jeez - that would be stupid wouldn't it.

[Haven]

Your desire to prevent equal rights to gay people is what makes you anti-gay. It's not that difficult. Thanks for proving my point for me.

But they already do have equal rights.

But, since you brought it up, do you see a difference with the amount of people and the reasons for those deaths?

You can cross out everyone who died in Russia from 1991 to 2001, that was that kind of time when we tried "democracy".

I love that you keep trying to turn this around, as if I somehow support oppression within my own country. Unlike you, I'm willing to call out my government when they do bad things. Your whataboutisms are pitiful.

Now, if you can find a single example of me supporting oppression within my own country, feel free to point it out. If you can't, I'll expect you to retract your claim.

"Duh. You label things, but selectively. Why don't you start with your own country then? Yeah, you're against oppression by anyone, anywhere, as you say, but somehow you conveniently omit the facts of oppression in your contry and see oppression exclusively in countries that your government brands as enemies... "

Seriously, go ahead and try and back it up.

Maybe you don't... but how would I know? You only bash Russia all the time. And never dare speak up against American government.

[Machismo]

But they already do have equal rights.

You can cross out everyone who died in Russia from 1991 to 2001, that was that kind of time when we tried "democracy".

Maybe you don't... but how would I know? You only bash Russia all the time. And never dare speak up against American government.

No, they already do not have equal rights. They are banned from getting married, cannot adopt, and are not allowed to have pride parades. You support that, meaning you are anti-gay.

Like I said, you made a claim, and you clearly cannot back it up. I speak up against my government all the fucking time. Look at my post history. Just because you only like to pop up in Russia threads, that's not my problem.

As for the point about violence against journalists, the lack of freedom of speech and the press... I rest my case.

[Mormolyce]

I see the usual suspects are out in full force denying everything lol.

Did u fall into a coma in the 90's n just woke up?

I feel like I must've, because here we are talking about Kaspersky.

[Shibito]

in Norton we trust!

[Deleted]

No, they already do not have equal rights. They are banned from getting married, cannot adopt, and are not allowed to have pride parades. You support that, meaning you are anti-gay.

You are confusing privileges with equal rights. Do normal people get to make non-gay parades? Nope. So there, equal rights.

As for getting married, you are too brainwashed to understand why its not fine in many countries. In Russia, as well as many other countries that are based on family values, getting married means starting family, possibly having children in future. That's purpose of marriage in many countries. Gay people can't have children. Gay marriage is not fine. Hell, its considered not fine in many regions of so called "civilised" world, even though its legally accepted because many people don't accept that as valid family.

Its a tricky issue and there is no right or wrong - both sides are right. You've been drinking too much pro-gay cool-aid, so you can't see it. I'm fine with either way, but I don't force my views on others as if my views are only correct ones.

So gay people do have equal rights. Chechnya is special case because its entirely muslim region with strong religious background.

Besides, why did you derail thread into gay issues? In real world nobody gives a fuck about gay people. Only gay people and virtue signaling SJWs care about it. The rest care more about real problems.

Anyway, this thread is example of media doing its finest at twisting facts. Anti-virus did its job perfectly, so media turned it into "bad anti-virus" because you can't have anti-virus that detects NSA viruses. NSA viruses = good. For anyone with working brain its an excellent ad for using Kaspersky software.

[Deleted]

Why let people have access to your computer? Put password protection on it.

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Wait. You’re talking about yourself... aren’t you?

It doesn't have to be some dodgy porn site. wowhead gets malware from time to time targeting wow players.

[Machismo]

You are confusing privileges with equal rights. Do normal people get to make non-gay parades? Nope. So there, equal rights.

As for getting married, you are too brainwashed to understand why its not fine in many countries. In Russia, as well as many other countries that are based on family values, getting married means starting family, possibly having children in future. That's purpose of marriage in many countries. Gay people can't have children. Gay marriage is not fine. Hell, its considered not fine in many regions of so called "civilised" world, even though its legally accepted because many people don't accept that as valid family.

Its a tricky issue and there is no right or wrong - both sides are right. You've been drinking too much pro-gay cool-aid, so you can't see it. I'm fine with either way, but I don't force my views on others as if my views are only correct ones.

So gay people do have equal rights. Chechnya is special case because its entirely muslim region with strong religious background.

Besides, why did you derail thread into gay issues? In real world nobody gives a fuck about gay people. Only gay people and virtue signaling SJWs care about it. The rest care more about real problems.

Anyway, this thread is example of media doing its finest at twisting facts. Anti-virus did its job perfectly, so media turned it into "bad anti-virus" because you can't have anti-virus that detects NSA viruses. NSA viruses = good. For anyone with working brain its an excellent ad for using Kaspersky software.

Nope, sorry, they do not have equal rights. They are not allowed to get married, gay couples cannot adopt, and they cannot express themselves freely like straight people can. You can try and justify why they don't have equal rights, but the fact of the matter is that they still do not have equal rights.

In many countries, people don't care about gay people. In Russia, that is clearly not the case. They care so much, that hey want to deny them equal rights. If you didn't care, then they would be allowed to marry, adopt, and have pride parades.

Kaspersky works with Russian intelligence. People would be fools to trust it. End. Of. Story.

[Super Kami Dende]

The Russia hysteria continues.