View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And there you have it, finally some sensibility about how dangerous the existential threat to the EU is from a destabilized, trade embargoed, poverty stricken, sunk and starving (...) post brexit Britain.
    At least you're finally admitting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floopa View Post
    no but they have a stake to make the UK look weak? thats why trump is punishing UK jobs (bombardier). they are scared just like the EU is.

    the EU even gives 60 mil in funding to the OECD.
    You mean the people you're relying on for a trade deal when we leave the EU? If they have a vested interest in making us look weak, why on earth would they ever give us a favourable trade deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel View Post
    The irony here, is that he's probably right.

    Subtract: medical research, financial services, aerospace technology, education etc. all of which will be completely fucked on various levels by Brexit we probably *will* be left with fishing. And cabbage-growing. So, that's a relief.
    Oh yeah fishing...

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmelded View Post
    At this point are there any pro-brexit promises left that they haven't come out and admitted were lies/bullshit? Because it seems like just about every one of their major talking points/promises has turned out to be a spectacular lie and most of the big names have been forced to admit it publicly.

  3. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    At this point are there any pro-brexit promises left that they haven't come out and admitted were lies/bullshit? Because it seems like just about every one of their major talking points/promises has turned out to be a spectacular lie and most of the big names have been forced to admit it publicly.
    Not that I'm aware of and they were proven to be bullshit during the campaign. Brexiteers just don't care because it's an emotional argument for them, not a rational one. They're truly the mirror of the MAGA crowd. That and they no longer value expertise or evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmelded View Post
    Not that I'm aware of and they were proven to be bullshit during the campaign. Brexiteers just don't care because it's an emotional argument for them, not a rational one. They're truly the mirror of the MAGA crowd. That and they no longer value expertise or evidence.

    you need a subscription to read Financial Times

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmelded View Post
    This scares me about a lot of these conservative movements over the years. At least in the US it's been around for well over a decade and has been a mainstay GOP talking point. It boggles my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    you need a subscription to read Financial Times
    worked in incognito for me but it's Gove saying "Britain has had enough of experts" (verbatim btw).

    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This scares me about a lot of these conservative movements over the years. At least in the US it's been around for well over a decade and has been a mainstay GOP talking point. It boggles my mind.
    Yeah it's been quite alarming how rapidly anti-intellectualism grew over here. I mean tabloids always catered to it and it did exist in some form but I can't remember it being this pervasive.
    Last edited by Shadowmelded; 2017-10-18 at 08:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmelded View Post
    Not that I'm aware of and they were proven to be bullshit during the campaign. Brexiteers just don't care because it's an emotional argument for them, not a rational one. They're truly the mirror of the MAGA crowd. That and they no longer value expertise or evidence.
    They aren't a mirror, they were ahead of them. Don't eat the memberries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Irony is, they did until they voted to set fire to their deck of cards and shove the Jokers up their ass.

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    The fucking irony lol.
    Irony you say? If only they had been honest with the exact figure on the side of that bus of £661 million a week, at the time of the brexit referendum that was 1 billion euro a week we were wasting on the EU. The only reason brexit negotiations are going badly is because we haven't left yet. With the NHS in crisis imagine what £661 million a week could do. It is getting to the point that everyone in the UK will know someone denied an operation or stuck on a waiting list for years in agony all because of the EU.

    How many must the remoaners make suffer before they see sense?

    They have a lot to answer for.

    (https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/cos...european-union for those remoaners too blind to source it themselves, or need some expert confirmation of the figures.)
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  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Irony you say? If only they had been honest with the exact figure on the side of that bus of £661 million a week, at the time of the brexit referendum that was 1 billion euro a week we were wasting on the EU.
    Did...you look at the picture? And anyways, here - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7822386.html

    https://www.google.com/search?q=brex...w=1104&bih=680

    Search turns up nothing of the £661M a week you claim.

    https://www.google.com/search?safe=o....0.4LGqRhoVPpk

    Adding the number in doesn't change anything.



    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    at the time of the brexit referendum that was 1 billion euro a week we were wasting on the EU.
    Do you have any links confirming that number? My casual google searches have turned up precisely nothing so far.
    Last edited by Edge-; 2017-10-18 at 09:50 PM.

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    (https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/cos...european-union for those remoaners too blind to source it themselves, or need some expert confirmation of the figures.)
    Eurosceptic Tory-linked thinktank. Hardly an independent expert or analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Do you have any links confirming that number? My casual google searches have turned up precisely nothing so far.
    I did link the source here...

    https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/cos...european-union

    "The true cost to Britain being a part of the European Union is close to £661 million per week since 2010, a number hidden from the British taxpayers due to an intricate payments system and largely ignored by the mainstream media."


    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmelded View Post
    Eurosceptic Tory-linked thinktank. Hardly an independent expert or analysis.
    The Bruges group to UK plc are as Bill Gates is to Microsoft, the fact you choose to ignore their expert opinion doesn't mean it isn't there.
    Last edited by dribbles; 2017-10-18 at 09:58 PM.
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  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I did link the source here...

    https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/cos...european-union

    "The true cost to Britain being a part of the European Union is close to £661 million per week since 2010, a number hidden from the British taxpayers due to an intricate payments system and largely ignored by the mainstream media."
    You claimed the £661 million per week was on the side of the bus, which it never was.

    You then claimed the cost was €1B a week at the time of the vote, which you've not supported with any evidence.

    Forgive me if I don't take a hard anti-EU site at its face with its claims, especially after all the lies of the Brexit campaign. I'll try to give it a read, but I fear there will be little of value.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Floopa View Post
    they want a Norway style eu exit. the British public knowingly voted to leave the single market and customs union when we overwhelmingly voted to leave the EU, and so yes the vote leave campaign have turned into remoaners
    That's not what was voted for - all that was voted for was to leave the EU, it can be fulfilled whilst still remaining in the single market and customs union.

    In fact, given how close the vote to remain was, and how some Leave voters would like a Norway-style deal, I wouldn't be surprised if a properly formulated referendum gave support to that sort of deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel View Post
    The irony here, is that he's probably right.

    Subtract: medical research, financial services, aerospace technology, education etc. all of which will be completely fucked on various levels by Brexit we probably *will* be left with fishing. And cabbage-growing. So, that's a relief.
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  14. #274
    Brexit was driven by Xenophobia of Muslims just like Trump was driven to power by greedy corporate pricks who pushed trades deals so they would not have to pay their workers and xenophobia against Mexicans and Muslims.

    The problem is the current world order is based on global trade and no single company is based really in one single country. The decline in the UK has already begun if you look at London home prices that are collapsing.

    If UK pulls out with no deal then expect extreme chaos as major companies flee the UK.

  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This scares me about a lot of these conservative movements over the years. At least in the US it's been around for well over a decade and has been a mainstay GOP talking point. It boggles my mind.
    Literal quote from one of the main Leave campaigners - "“people in this country have had enough of experts."

  16. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This scares me about a lot of these conservative movements over the years. At least in the US it's been around for well over a decade and has been a mainstay GOP talking point. It boggles my mind.
    These aren't exactly conservative movements. They're merely drama queens that hijack conservative movements. It's a bit unfair to call out conservatives for the deeds of idiots just because they decided to converge under that banner.
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  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    These aren't exactly conservative movements. They're merely drama queens that hijack conservative movements. It's a bit unfair to call out conservatives for the deeds of idiots just because they decided to converge under that banner.
    No, it's conservative movements. This echoes a lot of what we heard during the 2008 US presidential campaign. Not from McCain as much, if memory serves he ran a pretty solid campaign personally, but you bet your ass Palin was all over it and so were a large number of conservative pundits/politicians/news outlets.

    It's not idiots hijacking, it's more or less become a core part of many modern conservative ideologies.

  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Irony you say? If only they had been honest with the exact figure on the side of that bus of £661 million a week, at the time of the brexit referendum that was 1 billion euro a week we were wasting on the EU. The only reason brexit negotiations are going badly is because we haven't left yet. With the NHS in crisis imagine what £661 million a week could do. It is getting to the point that everyone in the UK will know someone denied an operation or stuck on a waiting list for years in agony all because of the EU.

    How many must the remoaners make suffer before they see sense?

    They have a lot to answer for.

    (https://www.brugesgroup.com/blog/cos...european-union for those remoaners too blind to source it themselves, or need some expert confirmation of the figures.)
    Yoo hoo...

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  19. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    These aren't exactly conservative movements. They're merely drama queens that hijack conservative movements. It's a bit unfair to call out conservatives for the deeds of idiots just because they decided to converge under that banner.
    Seriously hijacking by who exactly? The politicians that run disgusting racist campaigns based on fabricated lies or the people that vote them in power?

    This may be a Brexit topic but in a sense Brexit and trump are the same thing.

    The GOP primairy had 18 people who ran for president and at least 2 or 3 weren't the darlings of the deplorable movement.

  20. #280
    people think all leave voters are conservative

    i'm pretty damn socialist, and i support corbyn all the way, and that's why i voted to leave.

    as well as the other reasons i've stated.

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