10/10 Match Making System

[Reza2001]

https://imgur.com/a/cXLbR
2 Healers / 3 Warriors vs 1 Healer / 1 Warrior / 3 Assassins
Chromie finishing her quest at 4-5 min , Valla one shotting Immortal etc . This is so balanced

[Astalnar]

Nothing new to be honest.

[ManiaCCC]

how can Valla one shoot the Immortal?

[Reza2001]

how can Valla one shoot the Immortal?

Main reason why she or Greymane is picked in the same map in drafts is due to that , but this was QM , I just solo que'd as Arthas honestly this isn't fair no matter if it's new or not
We had no Assassins to finish the enemy ones , even if we charged at their team it they were melting us like hot knife through butter

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Match making in heroes will never be balanced. People have different skill levels per hero so you could be facing a lv5 Kael'thas in Qm that has reached Diamond league playing another hero etc

[Nikkaszal]

I mean... thats not actually a bad matchup for you if you had Diablo + Arthas working as a team, and your Ana took grenade build. With Ana + Lili + 3 Warriors, as well as ZERO dive threat to your Ana, you would have basically been unkillable (Chen can dive, but Ana can put him to sleep right away and stroll off. Plus... Chen lulz).

Diablo + Arthas can rip through squishies surprisingly fast if they work together. Obviously with this setup your team should always have been initiating rather than playing defensive and taking poke damage. Diablo's initiate on Chromie, Junkrat and Lucio is basically an execution sentence when Arthas follows the flip with root and Diabli with Apoc, and then your Ana can toss grenade onto the whole damn mess to give your warriors heal boost AND apply the anti-heal to your kill target simultaneously.

Did your LiLi take Water Dragon? Did Diablo take Apoc? They better have.

Your problem would have been people splitting damage around rather than focusing on one person to delete at a time. Which is 100% countered by Lucio in this instance and achieved nothing. But your comp has MONSTER CC chain access and survivability for days, and the other team has no Cleanse or Unstoppable. If this was a co-ordinated matchup, honestly, I would favour your team. You won't win ANY Immortal races, but who cares when you can bully your way straight onto their team, shut them down 1 by 1 then kill your Immortal at your own leisure.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Glad you are liking it! Pretty sure there is an easy way to circumvent this.

[Frozen Death Knight]

Honestly, that setup should not be unwinnable if your team picked the rights talents, and used your heavy frontline to your advantage (Arthas and Diablo can actually kill most of those squishies). Granted, the enemy has far better damage on the Immortals, but if you can force them to back away and/or land kills on the squishies, you should have been able to turn it around.

Still, there are cases when games are so unfavoured from the loading screen that you can't win. Though, I don't think this matchup is that impossible.

[melzas]

I laugh at people complaining about QM team set ups. If you don't like random set ups go play one of the draft modes??? It's that simple.

[Reza2001]

I laugh at people complaining about QM team set ups. If you don't like random set ups go play one of the draft modes??? It's that simple.

In drafts : "Omg you should have picked supp/warrior/specialist" way too edgy kids in draft and basically group of sheep who follow the "1 warrior 1 supp is must" rule , But I will switch to Unranked for sure

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Honestly, that setup should not be unwinnable if your team picked the rights talents, and used your heavy frontline to your advantage (Arthas and Diablo can actually kill most of those squishies). Granted, the enemy has far better damage on the Immortals, but if you can force them to back away and/or land kills on the squishies, you should have been able to turn it around.

Still, there are cases when games are so unfavoured from the loading screen that you can't win. Though, I don't think this matchup is that impossible.

I did go for the squishies tho , Still nothing without teamwork

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I mean... thats not actually a bad matchup for you if you had Diablo + Arthas working as a team, and your Ana took grenade build. With Ana + Lili + 3 Warriors, as well as ZERO dive threat to your Ana, you would have basically been unkillable (Chen can dive, but Ana can put him to sleep right away and stroll off. Plus... Chen lulz).

Diablo + Arthas can rip through squishies surprisingly fast if they work together. Obviously with this setup your team should always have been initiating rather than playing defensive and taking poke damage. Diablo's initiate on Chromie, Junkrat and Lucio is basically an execution sentence when Arthas follows the flip with root and Diabli with Apoc, and then your Ana can toss grenade onto the whole damn mess to give your warriors heal boost AND apply the anti-heal to your kill target simultaneously.

Did your LiLi take Water Dragon? Did Diablo take Apoc? They better have.

Your problem would have been people splitting damage around rather than focusing on one person to delete at a time. Which is 100% countered by Lucio in this instance and achieved nothing. But your comp has MONSTER CC chain access and survivability for days, and the other team has no Cleanse or Unstoppable. If this was a co-ordinated matchup, honestly, I would favour your team. You won't win ANY Immortal races, but who cares when you can bully your way straight onto their team, shut them down 1 by 1 then kill your Immortal at your own leisure.

Our lili went heal ult I think , But I am sure about the diablo one that he went Lightning Breath
Valla was basically eating up the Immortal , While all of them were blocking our path , We didn't really had that much damage to finish them off just look at the stats , They have like x3 or x2 total hero damage compared to ours

[Acidbaron]

how can Valla one shoot the Immortal?

Arrow build, has added bonuses like more dmg towards non-heroes. A fast reset on vault, increased dmg per hero hit, what makes it by the them you get the reset on vault you do an absurd amount of dmg.

[Deleted]

https://imgur.com/a/cXLbR
2 Healers / 3 Warriors vs 1 Healer / 1 Warrior / 3 Assassins
Chromie finishing her quest at 4-5 min , Valla one shotting Immortal etc . This is so balanced

Quick Match in a nutshell. You COULD have won. But that’s always possible, so saying it is rather meaningless. Any match can be won or lost by either team assuming conditions are favorable in some other way.
Though getting 3 specialists tends to be worse. It’s part of why I stopped playing. I know it’s Quick Match, but hero league ain’t much better but for other reasons. It’s even worse since they further loosened the QM matchmaking rules. Solo queue is terrible, the only way to have a bit of fun is to eliminate as many variables as possible by playing with friends.

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Glad you are liking it! Pretty sure there is an easy way to circumvent this.

You could do anything else, but all you’ve got is to talk shit to someone, driving another person away from the game by showing the community is incredibly unwelcoming. You offer no help, no solutions, no tips, no encouragement, nothing.

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I mean... thats not actually a bad matchup for you if you had Diablo + Arthas working as a team, and your Ana took grenade build. With Ana + Lili + 3 Warriors, as well as ZERO dive threat to your Ana, you would have basically been unkillable (Chen can dive, but Ana can put him to sleep right away and stroll off. Plus... Chen lulz).

Diablo + Arthas can rip through squishies surprisingly fast if they work together. Obviously with this setup your team should always have been initiating rather than playing defensive and taking poke damage. Diablo's initiate on Chromie, Junkrat and Lucio is basically an execution sentence when Arthas follows the flip with root and Diabli with Apoc, and then your Ana can toss grenade onto the whole damn mess to give your warriors heal boost AND apply the anti-heal to your kill target simultaneously.

Did your LiLi take Water Dragon? Did Diablo take Apoc? They better have.

Your problem would have been people splitting damage around rather than focusing on one person to delete at a time. Which is 100% countered by Lucio in this instance and achieved nothing. But your comp has MONSTER CC chain access and survivability for days, and the other team has no Cleanse or Unstoppable. If this was a co-ordinated matchup, honestly, I would favour your team. You won't win ANY Immortal races, but who cares when you can bully your way straight onto their team, shut them down 1 by 1 then kill your Immortal at your own leisure.

Yes it would’ve been doable if variables were favorable to make up for their unfavorable setup. But it’s QM, so a variable like coordination will rarely occur between a group of random people.

[Nikkaszal]

Yes it would’ve been doable if variables were favorable to make up for their unfavorable setup. But it’s QM, so a variable like coordination will rarely occur between a group of random people.

The point of the post wasn't anything to do with the capabilities of QM pugs. The point was that the game was NOT lost from the start just because of the team comps, as besides DVa who... does basically fuck all in this comp really... the Arthas/Diablo/Lili/Ana setup is heavily favoured against a squishy team with minimal peel and no CC counter.

People still think that 1 tank / 1 heal / 3 damage is the "optimal" setup, which is just wrong.