Is the Collapse of the U.S. Now Inevitable?

[satimy]

It's more likely that the US would balkanize long before 'becoming a third world nation'; you'd have the developed successor states in the Northeast and West Coast with the South and Midwest turning into banana republics.

The south would win in those Balkan wars over commiefornians

[Jastall]

China and Japan.

Pretty sure they collectively own like 10% of the debt. The vast majority of it is owed to US institutions, which barely matters at all.

And a collapse is not realistic in the foreseeable future. The US has problems like everywhere else, but nowhere near enough to trigger a great loss of national cohesion.

No, partisan politics overblown by social media and clickbaits is not reason enough for a country to collapse.

[ringpriest]

Half the knuckle draggers on the internet still think the US has a $10 trillion GDP like it's 2000 rather than nearing $20 trillion.

The US should tax more and cut spending on entitlements to get its books into better shape, but it's long term balance sheet outlook is good. Even with these irresponsible tax cuts, which as a matter of principle should not be passed.

But during the same time span, global GDP went from $33.5 trillion to 75.4 trillion - the US share of the world economy dropped from 30% to 25%. Also, the global GDP growth rate has been slightly higher than the US GDP growth rate over the same period. And that's all before getting into domestic costs, and purchasing power - $1 of expenditure doesn't buy nearly as much military hardware in the US as in China, for example.

While I hardly think the collapse of the US is inevitable, I think a major medium-length downturn in the US economy is extremely likely in the near future; I have put my money where my mouth is - I completely exited the US stock market last week, and rather then re-investing for returns or equity, I'm remaining as liquid as I can (I'm too busy to monitor things personally on the necessary basis, and setting automatic tripwires in today's world of flash crashes and other ultra-high-speed trading isn't something my conservative self is comfortable with).

[hrugner]

It may fundamentally change in the near future, the next 100 years or so, but the US/China economic buffer makes true collapse nearly impossible. The idea that the US economy is failing must come from a basic ignorance on the topic. The US economy isn't serving its people as well as it should, and a major course correction is inevitable on that point, but that's far from a collapse. This is some low grade fear mongering.

[owbu]

Maybe climate change will end all nations.
The others? Depends on how much change the system can handle, before it breaks.

[Surfd]

Why would the USA default on its loans? It makes no sense.

Really? Cause I am pretty sure that your currently sitting president actually suggested it as a way of removing the debt. Like, literally suggested straight up telling it's debtors "well, we just aren't going to pay you"........

[oxymoronic]

Because the debt is 20 trillion now and still increasing. If you tax the rich and corporations more to help pay off the national debt, then they either move away or cut millions of jobs. If you cut taxes on the rich and raise taxes on everyone else, then income inequality grows even more and regular people suffer. There is literally no way out.

no way out yet you provided yourself with an answer

total global domination

[Surfd]

As of right now the US is in no danger of "collapsing." The world needs the US more than the US needs the world.

If the US were to collapse in any time within the next 100 years, it would be after every other country.

Actually, I am pretty sure you would find out VERY, VERY quickly that the rest of the world has very very little need for the US if push comes to shove.

[oxymoronic]

Between pay that isn't keeping up with the times, rent prices skyrocketing everywhere, and it costing you bankruptcy in some situations just to keep breathing, I think SOMETHING is going to happen. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later.

might want to get some experience other than mcdonalds. isnt that bad for the rest of us, guess we doing something right.

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Actually, I am pretty sure you would find out VERY, VERY quickly that the rest of the world has very very little need for the US if push comes to shove.

nah you mean want, the world doesn't want USA particularly but needs it very very badly. when one country produces so much of the new tech and innovation that no other country can currently fill the gap then it is very badly needed, unless you one of those biblethumpers that prefers to dwell in a cave.

[Deleted]

I personally think the US will collapse in the coming decades, but not because of the reasons you mentioned.

I think the rift between cultures, believes, political views and races is nearing the breaking point. It's a natural thing btw, this happens in any country at some point. It's just that the US is a reletavily young country and it still has to go through these motions.

[Surfd]

nah you mean want, the world doesn't want USA particularly but needs it very very badly. when one country produces so much of the new tech and innovation that no other country can currently fill the gap then it is very badly needed, unless you one of those biblethumpers that prefers to dwell in a cave.

Implying that that technology and innovation is somehow property of the USA? 90% of that tech and innovation is property of the companies that produced it. You think they give a rats ass what country they happen to produce it in? If the USA looks to be heading to a bad place, pretty much every one of those companies that isn't entirely manufacturing dependent could relocate their brain-trust to just about anywhere else on the planet with very little effort or impact on their bottom line. This might be a shock to you, but the USA does not own Google, or Amazon, or apple or Microsoft, or 99% of the "innovation and technology" that you appear to be so proud of.

[oxymoronic]

Implying that that technology and innovation is somehow property of the USA? 90% of that tech and innovation is property of the companies that produced it. You think they give a rats ass what country they happen to produce it in? If the USA looks to be heading to a bad place, pretty much every one of those companies that isn't entirely manufacturing dependent could relocate their brain-trust to just about anywhere else on the planet with very little effort or impact on their bottom line. This might be a shock to you, but the USA does not own Google, or Amazon, or apple or Microsoft, or 99% of the "innovation and technology" that you appear to be so proud of.

you would be surprised... 100% surprised

also shows you know nothing of history

[Independent voter]

S&P 500 over time.

The S&P 500 is the top 500 companies in the US. It's also what could get Trump reelected, as long as it keeps going up.

I personally think the US will collapse in the coming decades, but not because of the reasons you mentioned.

I think the rift between cultures, believes, political views and races is nearing the breaking point. It's a natural thing btw, this happens in any country at some point. It's just that the US is a reletavily young country and it still has to go through these motions.

I can see how a foreigner would think that. The Japanese say to us "You are a lively bunch."

[Deleted]

Actually, I am pretty sure you would find out VERY, VERY quickly that the rest of the world has very very little need for the US if push comes to shove.

how you work that out?? is that why every country in eu buys u.s military equipment/planes all time??

the u.s can destroy the eu 7 times over, it spends over 700billion on military alone, if anything the e.u is americas puppet.

[Deleted]

It would be a great day for the EU on the Internet. Until they realized now all the nations they raped for 300 years are now fully mordern, angry, and don't have to worry about the US stopping them from returning the favor.

But dont worry. We all know everyone has a white sheet ready to run up the flag pole.

The only nation that has been doing any raping and pillaging since WW2 is the US, which is much more hated worldwide than the EU ever was. But your post is very american. ''We are the best fuck yall''. When in reality you are the dumbest and fattest nation alive. And your country is falling apart by the day.

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[AkundaMrdal]

It is only matter of time before global economic collapse which will lead to another world war.

[Ealyssa]

?

A civil war did happen. It was far from a collapse.

When the US was barely a united country less than 100 years old ? When war were fought on "battefields" ? When the global economy wasn't a thing ? You really thing it would be the same now ?

[slime]

The only nation that has been doing any raping and pillaging since WW2 is the US, which is much more hated worldwide than the EU ever was. But your post is very american. ''We are the best fuck yall''. When in reality you are the dumbest and fattest nation alive. And your country is falling apart by the day.

Soon we will sink to your country's level, it is a little scary to think about.

[Radaney]

No, it's not. You better hope it isn't aswell.

Because it'd fuck the global economy for a good bit too.

[Deleted]

Most of the issues highlighted in the OP are either results of corruption or buying votes by the left along with subsidizing immigrant workers who take up jobs that previously were filled by teenagers for pocket money.

Tossing out the kiddy diddlers from your gov't (and shadow government, huh huh) will go a long way to start with.