Antifa Helps to Liberate Town From Facists

[Theinquisition]

Consider what fascist groups actually do.

nothing worse than communists

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Communists have the big lead in kill count lol with china and soviet union being the top players so far.

"derp, but those aren't real communists derpy derpy derp"

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You never get tired of showing your ignorance, do you Tony.

Do tell comrade, how exactly is communism less of a evil than fascism, especially given their track record.

You do realize that historically speaking, under a communist regime, you'd be executed or imprisoned for being a fan of MLP

[Kalis]

So you googled "Battle Of Cable St" and picked the only source that supported the notion that the BUF benefitted from Cable St.

Which meant that you started out with a prejudicial belief and attempted to substantiate it with google rather than come from a pre-existing belief system based on actual knowledge. Can you see why people don't find that convincing?

Considering you claimed I made it up, it is quite something that an article published on a history website supports my argument. It is almost like I knew about the argument beforehand.

Most authors on the subject have tended to just accept it damaged fascism in Britain, without researching if that was actually true and focus has been more on the events at the time and used testimonies from participants, who are naturally biased. That historian was interested in finding out the effects on the Jewish community, so came at it from a different viewpoint and discovered people had been somewhat over egging the positive impact.

This is not unusual in history, where historians assume one part is accurate and don’t research it, largely because the after effects are not what they are writing about, instead focusing more on the Battle and/or on participants.

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Consider what fascist groups actually do.

I expect they mainly sit around and fantasise about how great everything would be if they were in charge.

You are sitting on the fence here so much you have splinters up your arse.

Are you saying that you can’t have an increase in popularity without it transferring into electoral success?

UKIP had a massive increase in popularity, yet their electoral success was limited to one seat in Westminster. The BUF didn’t gain anywhere near their level of popularity.

If you have 10,000 members and increase that to 20,000 then you’d have an increase in popularity, but would probably not have electoral success due to fptp.

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You do realize that historically speaking, under a communist regime, you'd be executed or imprisoned for being a fan of MLP

Like the fascists with autobahns, the commies did get some things right.

[gcsmith]

We've yet to see conservatives do anything about terrorism, beyond selling weapons to them and throwing up travel bans that don't include actual terrorist territories.

Right, no soldiers ever are conservatives? And no conservative would support anti terror laws...

[Zecora]

Do tell comrade, how exactly is communism less of a evil than fascism, especially given their track record.

You do realize that historically speaking, under a communist regime, you'd be executed or imprisoned for being a fan of MLP

Is that really the best you can come up with? Pathetic.

You know very well why you are wrong, it has been explained to you, on these forums, many times. That you are incapable of accepting it just means that I won't have to explaining it to you yet again, and can thus save my time.

[Kalis]

Is that really the best you can come up with? Pathetic.

You know very well why you are wrong, it has been explained to you, on these forums, many times. That you are incapable of accepting it just means that I won't have to explaining it to you yet again, and can thus save my time.

Communist regimes slaughter political opponents and others they deem undesirable, as do fascist regimes, the biggest difference seems to be that fascists have a better dress sense and commies have the better music.

At the end of the day you are still going to end up dead if they don’t like you.

[Theinquisition]

Considering you claimed I made it up, it is quite something that an article published on a history website supports my argument. It is almost like I knew about the argument beforehand.

Most authors on the subject have tended to just accept it damaged fascism in Britain, without researching if that was actually true and focus has been more on the events at the time and used testimonies from participants, who are naturally biased. That historian was interested in finding out the effects on the Jewish community, so came at it from a different viewpoint and discovered people had been somewhat over egging the positive impact.

This is not unusual in history, where historians assume one part is accurate and don’t research it, largely because the after effects are not what they are writing about, instead focusing more on the Battle and/or on participants.

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I expect they mainly sit around and fantasise about how great everything would be if they were in charge.



Are you saying that you can’t have an increase in popularity without it transferring into electoral success?

UKIP had a massive increase in popularity, yet their electoral success was limited to one seat in Westminster. The BUF didn’t gain anywhere near their level of popularity.

If you have 10,000 members and increase that to 20,000 then you’d have an increase in popularity, but would probably not have electoral success due to fptp.

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Like the fascists with autobahns, the commies did get some things right.

LOL, well played sir, well played.

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Is that really the best you can come up with? Pathetic.

You know very well why you are wrong, it has been explained to you, on these forums, many times. That you are incapable of accepting it just means that I won't have to explaining it to you yet again, and can thus save my time.

Wow, what a compelling argument, I'm convinced!!! Please tell me more!!!

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We've yet to see conservatives do anything about terrorism, beyond selling weapons to them and throwing up travel bans that don't include actual terrorist territories.

the government the lead Britain in ww1 and ww2 was conservative, the government that stood up to the Argentinian junta was conservative the government that liberated libia was conservative and the gov that finished the meddling in the middles east and bumming up to the Americans was conservative. the government that started all this shit in the middle east was labour

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Communist regimes slaughter political opponents and others they deem undesirable, as do fascist regimes, the biggest difference seems to be that fascists have a better dress sense and commies have the better music.

At the end of the day you are still going to end up dead if they don’t like you.

the political spectrum isnt a line its a circle with death at both extrem's

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If you're ignorant of history, maybe.
It like you guys don't even know the banner was formed in the '30s to oppose nazis.

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Antifa is not liberal.
It also does not have US orgins, so nice try.

also many innocent people died in the running gun battles between the nazis and the communists in the 30s which paved the way for the nazis in a way. as the KDP's penchant for violence opened the door to be blamed for the richstag fire that allowed hittler to turn public opinion against them and ultimate wipe them out. its a running historical trend of the left wing meeting the right wing hate with violence only for public opinion to blow up in there face. has happend in many countrys and probably will continue too.

[Raunchy]

Haha somone call a veterinarian supertony just killed a koala

[zhero]

If you're ignorant of history, maybe.
It like you guys don't even know the banner was formed in the '30s to oppose nazis.

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Antifa is not liberal.
It also does not have US orgins, so nice try.

and just because someone else took up the banner doesn't mean its the same group.

[Theinquisition]

Haha somone call a veterinarian supertony just killed a koala

Oi mate!!!

[Kalis]

...the government that liberated libia was conservative...

I am not entirely convinced that the shitshow in Libya is something the Tories want to boast about.

[Deleted]

Do tell comrade, how exactly is communism less of a evil than fascism, especially given their track record.

You participated in an illegal invasion of a country that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Clearly, your concept of evil is way too fucking twisted for any one rational to get anything through to you ever. You want to know what evil looks like take a look in the mirror, Jeb.

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If you have 10,000 members and increase that to 20,000 then you’d have an increase in popularity, but would probably not have electoral success due to fptp.

Uh-huh, so you weren't arguing the exact reverse a few months when Jeremy Corbyn's party which is the most popular party in Europe in terms of membership was standing for election. You weren't gloating about how they were going to get their clock cleaned because all those members didn't matter?

Btw Whatever happened to your retraction over Corbyn's non-existent IRA associations? Especially after your beloved conservatives entered into an alliance with the similarly extreme DUP? Oh yes, you didn't make one because you are a flaming hypocrite with no class.

[bewbew]

In fact, Nazis and other fascist movements of the time were specifically anti-Communist reactionaries in origin.

Yet they were both categorized as totalitarian, colectivist regimes.

That is not exactly a coincidence.

[Theinquisition]

You participated in an illegal invasion of a country that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Clearly, your concept of evil is way too fucking twisted for any one rational to get anything through to you ever. You want to know what evil looks like take a look in the mirror, Jeb.

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Uh-huh, so you weren't arguing the exact reverse a few months when Jeremy Corbyn's party which is the most popular party in Europe in terms of membership was standing for election. You weren't gloating about how they were going to get their clock cleaned because all those members didn't matter?

Btw Whatever happened to your retraction over Corbyn's non-existent IRA associations? Especially after your beloved conservatives entered into an alliance with the similarly extreme DUP? Oh yes, you didn't make one because you are a flaming hypocrite with no class.

communism killed over 100 million this past century, spare me your moral outrage.

[Bajat]

It's like a tsunami over a city on fire.

You don't want any of that.

[Kalis]

Uh-huh, so you weren't arguing the exact reverse a few months when Jeremy Corbyn's party which is the most popular party in Europe in terms of membership was standing for election. You weren't gloating about how they were going to get their clock cleaned because all those members didn't matter?

Members don’t matter, votes do and the Conservatives got more votes than Labour, hence why Theresa May is Prime Minister and not Jeremy Corbyn.

How is that relevant to me saying that an increase in support does not necessarily translate to electoral success? It doesn’t even make sense as an example, as Labour have more members and lost - though some cretins called Labour coming second a victory.

Btw Whatever happened to your retraction over Corbyn's non-existent IRA associations?

Why would I retract a claim that is based on evidence? He is terrorist sympathising scum, coming second in an election doesn’t change his historical support for the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.

Or are you one of those people who think he tried to negotiate peace, yet fail to explain how exactly a person can negotiate when they only talk to one side and support all the goals of that side? When did he open negotiation channels with the Loyalists or Israelis? Oh wait, he never did that.

Especially after your beloved conservatives entered into an alliance with the similarly extreme DUP? Oh yes, you didn't make one because you are a flaming hypocrite with no class.

I don’t support the DUP (they are religious conservatives, I am not religious) who are the equivalent of Sinn Fein, not the IRA. That the Tories did a deal with them was based on pragmatism, sometimes you have to hold your nose and do whatever deal keeps the socialists out.

As far as I am aware the DUP have renounced any support for political violence, just as Sinn Fein have nowadays. They are both legitimate political parties these days, albeit with very dodgy pasts that shouldn’t be whitewashed. Corbyn’s dealings with Sinn Fein were during their dodgy past.

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communism killed over 100 million this past century, spare me your moral outrage.

That's a piece of commonly repeated, unsourced bullshit.

You only get those numbers when you count famines as murders and use different statistical methods to calculate Chinese
and Soviet famines with, say, the Great Depression in the west. If you normalize those methods you either get many
fewer deaths in communist countries, or (more accurately) much higher body counts in western famines.

You also have to ignore altogether the role of self-defense altogether. So the deaths in the American civil war were war casualties
whereas the deaths from the war against the Kulaks were simply state murders.

You also have to ignore the role of simple race hatred in atrocities carried out by nominally communist governments. The Holomodor
in Ukraine was larger just a Russian method of punishing Ukraine. We don't refer to the current Russian hostility in Ukraine as being
a product of Russian democratic capitalism. It is a double-standard.

Basically Americans make up arbitary bullshit to justify demonizing other people's atrocities whilst ignoring their own.

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Why would I retract a claim that is based on evidence? He is terrorist sympathising scum, coming second in an election doesn’t change his historical support for the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.

Oh please, the duplicity of you people is vomit-inducing. All Corbyn has ever said is wooly nonsense about how everyone should work for peace.

There are literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Corbyn on video going back many decades. There is no evidence for what you are saying. You are making it up.

A far stronger case could be made for implying you are a Nazi sympathizer based solely on the evidence in this thread, which was the point.

[Kalis]

A far stronger case could be made for implying you are a Nazi sympathizer based solely on the evidence in this thread, which was the point.

Not entirely sure how you could claim that me saying I am opposed to extremism in politics and stating that fascism is an extremist political position, can be construed as Nazi sympathising.

What you can conclude is that I am opposed to political violence, and equally detest both the far right and far left, largely because that is my actual position.

Do you believe that it is acceptable to punch people for having different political opinions, even if they are extreme, such as fascists or communists? I don’t, then again I am not an extremist. Can you honestly say the same?

[Ragedaug]

d) Lots of free slave labor and dirt cheap child/immigrant labor. Industrial capitalism would never have existed in the United States without them.

If Slavery and dirt cheap child/immigrant labor caused counties to prosper, then these countries would be leading the economic world.

(China aside, the others don't have much impact globally)


Slavery is not a good thing. Slavery does not make things better. If you think it does, imagine taking away all the money that the blue collar workers make and think what it would do to the economy. I can tell you, it would tank. Abolishing slavery was pivotal to the U.S. success. Look at the economy of 1860's South vs North. The North was much more financially successful.

Freedom breeds success. Slavery, forced labor, authoritarian government regulation stifle growth.

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Antifa making the world and America great again.

When will conservatives ever do anything about terrorists and real problems?

If I didn't know better I would suspect you were just making a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.

Interesting. Doesn't seem like anyone's biting. Good luck.

[THE Bigzoman]

nothing worse than communists

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"derp, but those aren't real communists derpy derpy derp"

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Do tell comrade, how exactly is communism less of a evil than fascism, especially given their track record.

You do realize that historically speaking, under a communist regime, you'd be executed or imprisoned for being a fan of MLP

....what?

10 char.