Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Jeezy911]

Trumpkins were also claiming that there was no ties to Russia period.

Because there are not ties to trump that lead to somehow rigging the election, which lead to his win. You can't put all that together, because it's fake news. Not sure why you can't understand simple logic.

[Jeezy911]

Lol. It's amazing how the " few of you" over estimate your own importance and knowledge. It's cute how you've made yourselves so special.

Actually nobody is important in the world, but yes I think highly of my cunning intelligence.

[Shalcker]

You might want to be forgetting that Trump is on your side. Don't worry, we won't forget reminding that yes, he is on your side.

Yeah, yeah, Americans telling Russians who is actually on their side. Totally convincing.

To Americans, and noone else.

[Triggered Fridgekin]

What is the maximum punishment for lying to FBI, as per law?

If you lie to a federal agent and are convicted for a violation of 18 U.S. C. § 1001, you can be fined and sentenced to federal prison for up to five years.

So I guess five years tops but it sounds like whatever leniency he is given for cooperating likely means he won't see much, if any, jail time.

I would have thought it'd be more unless there are separate charges specifically for such a high-profile case?

/shrug

[Jeezy911]

You have to prioritize right? People peacefully protesting is much more harmful to the country then treason. H

Side note, I think you have wrapped that flag a little to tightly around yourself, its cutting off the air to your brain.

Well you are a packers fan, and we know how the air is in Wisconsin if I ever need an expert. #too easy

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

So I guess five years tops but it sounds like whatever leniency he is given for cooperating likely means he won't see much, if any, jail time.

I would have thought it'd be more unless there are separate charges specifically for such a high-profile case?

/shrug

Lying about terrorism, treason or sex crimes gets you up to 8 years IIRC.

[PACOX]

Trump has broad powers and pardoning somebody after being sentenced isn't a impeachable offens.

You can't pardon somebody beforehand because that would be a direct contradiction and such a weird position to put Manafort in that I doubt he would even accept a pardon before he gets sentenced.

Just follow the steps:
Pardoning a sentence technically means you accept you did something illegal,
Money laundering is part of chargers
So he would still lose everything because of his activities regardless of being pardoned or not
This is all assuming Trump pardons Manafort right away and that Manafort goes for a no-contest and avoids the entire trial so he doesn't snitch

plus since we know Trump already asked his lawyers who he can pardon and when I doubt he got the answer he wanted regarding Manafort and if he could issue a pardon before the trial ends.

You missed my point. Congress has the power to decide what is and what isnt impeachable as long as they feel like they have the clout and can prove the charges.

[Thepersona]

Actually nobody is important in the world, but yes I think highly of my cunning intelligence.

Dunning Kruger effect is high on this one

[Breccia]

Well, Trump said these charges pre-date the campaign but of course that ain't so.

Manafort and his associate Rick Gates are charged with criminal activities that go back to 2006 but extend to February of this year. The charges do not refer to Manafort's activities with the campaign but rather accuse him of laundering money and conspiratorial acts before, during and after he had that job.

Manafort and Gates face 12 counts and do deal largely with activities from 2006 to 2015, before Manafort joined the campaign in March 2016.

But both are charged with conspiring together and with others to knowingly and intentionally defraud and commit crimes against the U.S. from 2006 to this year.

And both are charged with conspiring together to make false statements and conceal crimes against the U.S., and to causing others to do so, from November 2016 to February 2017.

The indictment alleges that Manafort and Gates acted as unregistered agents of Ukraine's former pro-Russia leader, government and party from 2006 to 2015. The indictment says that "from approximately 2006 through at least 2016, MANAFORT and GATES laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships and bank accounts."

Manafort was hired in late March 2016 as the campaign's manager for the Republican convention in July. He was promoted to campaign chairman in mid-May, more than a month after he essentially assumed control, then pushed out Aug. 19 when questions intensified about his lobbying for Ukraine interests.

This indictment is the first to emerge from the broad investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. It does not go to the heart of that matter.

But separately, it was revealed Monday that an adviser to Trump's campaign pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian professor who has close ties to the Russian government. George Papadopoulos had told the FBI that his interactions with the professor, who promised "dirt" on Trump's presidential rival Hillary Clinton, came before he joined the campaign. In fact, Papadopoulos was already a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign when he met the professor in mid-March 2016 and interacted with him after, according to the court statement unsealed Monday.

That was the first criminal count that cites interactions between someone in the Trump campaign Russian intermediaries.

Just to end that talking point.

[Leobald]

So I guess five years tops but it sounds like whatever leniency he is given for cooperating likely means he won't see much, if any, jail time.

I would have thought it'd be more unless there are separate charges specifically for such a high-profile case?

/shrug

His plea agreement contains a sentencing recommendation: zero to six months prison and a fine between 500 and 9500 USD.

[Triggered Fridgekin]

Lying about terrorism, treason or sex crimes gets you up to 8 years IIRC.

That still seems pretty tame though especially if you can cut a deal.

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His plea agreement contains a sentencing recommendation: zero to six months prison and a fine between 500 and 9500 USD.

Ah, thanks!

[Vizardlorde]

The adult healthcare facility must be on high alert today or they confiscated the phone from the orange shitstain.

[unfilteredJW]

Dunning Kruger effect is high on this one

You'll find unearned arrogance a theme from these folk.

Snowflakes gonna snowflake.

[tumppu]

Yeah, yeah, Americans telling Russians who is actually on their side. Totally convincing.

To Americans, and noone else.

Call it as you may, but not ALL americans are "dumb". Some actually can look into things and quite a few have figured out that their current potus is not actually "swinging for the home team". And while we're at it, not a whole lot are buying your narrative of "totally not have done anything wrong" regarding other countries elections. Not even all russians, it seems. But I'm sure you have plenty of batons to handle THAT, right?

[Breccia]

or they confiscated the phone from the orange shitstain.

Don't forget: more than one person has access to that account. It takes a trained eye to spot the @FakedonaldTrump.

"If it looks like it was written by the Flowers for Algernon guy after the meds start wearing off, Donald Trump probably did the tweet."

[Deleted]

The lawfareblog weights in: https://www.lawfareblog.com/robert-m...dirty-analysis

Consesus:
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We will say this: Mueller’s opening bid is a remarkable show of strength. He has a cooperating witness from inside the campaign’s interactions with the Russians. And he is alleging not mere technical infractions of law but astonishing criminality on the part of Trump’s campaign manager, a man who also attended the Trump Tower meeting.

Any hope the White House may have had that the Mueller investigation might be fading away vanished this morning. Things are only going to get worse from here.

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tl;dr:

- Trump campaign officials lie when they open their mouths, especially when under oth
- re: Papadopoulos: people get prosecuted for lying to the FBI all the time, since a lie is easier to prove than the actual
offense being a violation to the law
- getting dirt on Clinton may have been legal (if icky), but the lying about it part was a no no
- Mueller probably had more on Papadopoulos
- it's 99% sure, Trump knew about his campaigns shady f-ckery with Russia
- Manafort is so f-cked
- the only good news for Trump is, that Manafort wasn't an agent for Russia during his campaign
- Manafort has lied about his foreign agent status and lied some more because he can't help himself

[Lenonis]

Might want to check my history, I am almost always right in predictions. This will not lead back to Trump.

While that may be true it certainly won't lead back to Uranium.

[mvaliz]

No actually our side stands for the flag you hate so much.

No you don't. Simply saying that means you don't at all stand for America.

Standing for America is to the American Flag exactly the same way that Christmas is to the Christmas decorations/presents found in Whoville.

...it's a Grinch who Stole Christmas reference, if you don't understand it. Given your postings, I could see your parents forbidding you from seeing that as a child. >_<

[Deleted]

The battle of the Oligarchs begins. Who will win? Probably Oligarchs. Who will lose? The other Oligarchs.

Will this power ever be challenged? No.

[alexw]

His plea agreement contains a sentencing recommendation: zero to six months prison and a fine between 500 and 9500 USD.

Yeah he's singing like a bird. The other members of team Trump will be running to bang on Muller's if they have any sense.