[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Mayhem]

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So the UK is an Arm without a body. Seems about right.

[Deleted]

Is this the brextremist version of Mao’s cultural revolution?

dribbles just parrots and posts whatever the daily mail attack line of the week is. Catchphrases and all.

[Floopa]

Well it has been the go-to rag of the right-wing extremist since the early 1930s.

im vehemently left wing, and even im in agreement with the daily mail here. they are just being patriotic to Great Britain instead of talking it down, and they're right to go after and target those who would try to stop Brexit and talk about the negatives of Brexit (mostly because they are lies, there are none).

[Dhrizzle]

im vehemently left wing, and even im in agreement with the daily mail here. they are just being patriotic to Great Britain instead of talking it down, and they're right to go after and target those who would try to stop Brexit and talk about the negatives of Brexit (mostly because they are lies, there are none).

Hollow words from someone who has an escape plan to the EU when things get tough for the UK. Also by the way you keep referring to Great Britain instead of the UK am I right in thinking you don't care about what happens to Northern Ireland?

[Kiri]

im vehemently left wing, and even im in agreement with the daily mail here. they are just being patriotic to Great Britain instead of talking it down, and they're right to go after and target those who would try to stop Brexit and talk about the negatives of Brexit (mostly because they are lies, there are none).

Anyone that says that there are absolutely no negative aspects of such a huge political and logistical undertaking is lying themselves, no questions asked.

[Vankrys]

A socialist with nationalist leanings. The last time those two ideologies became one, bad things happened.

Godwin's law is always true. I must know that by now.

[dribbles]

I honestly blieve you're a remainer pulling a few legs for shits'n'giggles. :P

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Just trying to bring some light to those almost suicidal doomsayers who think catastrophe beckons, nice picture btw and very apt. I think the tail flag isn,t quite right though as it obviously depicts the British carrier easyjet rescuing the bust german airline airberlin. Trust the Brits to ride to the rescue of Europe not inspite of but because of Brexit. Brexit is a win for the UK and a win for the EU, who would have predicted that? Perhaps it will be BMW next

https://www.thelocal.de/20171028/eas...gel-operations

Also some more light for you, as I know how full of Fawlty Towers and Monty Python reruns your tv schedules are. Here is what you will be raving about in a decade or so, but you can catch it now should you choose. I can't think of any foreign politician ever quite as revered and admired in the UK as your Angela Merkel such that Tracey Ulmans new show has her as a weekly slot.

[Mormolyce]

Hollow words from someone who has an escape plan to the EU when things get tough for the UK. Also by the way you keep referring to Great Britain instead of the UK am I right in thinking you don't care about what happens to Northern Ireland?

You can't accuse him of being anti-EU though, since he plans to move there once Brexit scuppers the UK. Talk about hard left lol.

[Kallisto]

dribbles just parrots and posts whatever the daily mail attack line of the week is. Catchphrases and all.

I'm almost certain he works for the Mail or Express. No one can be this insane and just be a reader. Even old people that read that rag have some sanity left in them.

[Slant]

Just trying to bring some light to those almost suicidal doomsayers who think catastrophe beckons, nice picture btw and very apt. I think the tail flag isn,t quite right though as it obviously depicts the British carrier easyjet rescuing the bust german airline airberlin. Trust the Brits to ride to the rescue of Europe not inspite of but because of Brexit. Brexit is a win for the UK and a win for the EU, who would have predicted that? Perhaps it will be BMW next

https://www.thelocal.de/20171028/eas...gel-operations

British companies couldn't afford BMW. But thanks for taking the trash out. Lufthansa already got the majority of Air Berlin. What you call a "ride to the rescue" is actually more like picking up the crumbs that Lufthansa had no interest in. Thanks for playing, though. See you next time? Try to be a bit more informed, it's getting too easy to shoot you down.

[Floopa]

dribbles isnt wrong though when he says Brexit is a win for Great Britain. he's 100% correct. let's look at the facts:

1) UK give a lot of money to eu as per membership agreements
2) UK have a powerful army
3) UK has strong relations with US

the eu is going to lose all 3 of these very important factors, so for Great Britain it's a gain because no matter which way you look at it, we can have our cake and eat it. if the eu want to continue taking our money, they will have to capitulate and give us exactly what we want. otherwise we walk away and they lose the benefits of UK membership. if the eu propose no deal (disastrous for eu) they no longer have funding for their current projects lasting until 2020, when new projects, worse projects (due to lack of UK funding), will be debated and chosen for the next 10 year period.

Brexit is a great thing for Great Britain, because we always win from this negotiation.

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interestingly, as of today's UK news, there is a more likely chance (up from 0.000001% to probably 2%) that the conservative government falls due to the sexual harassment allegations against 36 of their MPs (20~ cabinet ministers). if the government does indeed fall, it's very likely Labour would take power and they would likely negotiate for an EEA agreement.

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1) UK give a lot of money to eu as per membership agreements

If you think that all we did is give to the EU without getting anything in return then you are deluded. After Brexit we will have lost far more than we gained from paying our paltry membership fees. But people like you don't understand that because all you see is a sum of money leaving and don't understand what that sum bought.

2) UK have a powerful army

We are still a member of Nato and the United Nations, if the EU gets attacked, we defend them. Unless ofcourse you've brought this up because you think that we'll either 1) Get attacked by the EU, which won't happen or 2) That we'll attack the EU, which won't happen.

3) UK has strong relations with US

Great, we have "strong relations" with a country that has a mad man in charge,who is constantly belittling his top diplomats and is obsessed with getting the "best deal" for the US, at the expense of any sort of diplomatic relations.

I don't know why i'm wasting my time explaining this to you, because based on your posting history in this thread, you're on an extended vacation from reality at the moment, but eventually that has to end, and you'll have to come back to the real world and deal with this shit like the rest of us.

[Dhrizzle]

dribbles isnt wrong though when he says Brexit is a win for Great Britain. he's 100% correct. let's look at the facts:

1) UK give a lot of money to eu as per membership agreements
2) UK have a powerful army
3) UK has strong relations with US

the eu is going to lose all 3 of these very important factors, so for Great Britain it's a gain because no matter which way you look at it, we can have our cake and eat it. if the eu want to continue taking our money, they will have to capitulate and give us exactly what we want. otherwise we walk away and they lose the benefits of UK membership. if the eu propose no deal (disastrous for eu) they no longer have funding for their current projects lasting until 2020, when new projects, worse projects (due to lack of UK funding), will be debated and chosen for the next 10 year period.

Brexit is a great thing for Great Britain, because we always win from this negotiation.

Mostly just going to reiterate what Helden said here,

1. All member states pay into the EU because all member states benefit not just from having free-trader within the EEA but also having the bargaining power of one of the.largest, richest trading blocs on the planet.

2. The size of our military has nothing to do with the EU as those treaties are covered by NATO completely independently of the EU.

3. The "special relationship" with the US is mostly to do with security and intelligence sharing, any benefits of this we share with the EU are independent of our membership and it's in our best interest to continue sharing as, in or out, the EU will still be made up of our closest allies.

So no "Great Britain" (why do you hate Northern Ireland?) won't win from Brexit, no-one will (apart from our non-European competitors and the wealthy elite who can profit from speculating on the misery of others.) EU and UK will both lose from Brexit but the EU can at least spread the pain around its 27 members, our share is ours and ours alone.

interestingly, as of today's UK news, there is a more likely chance (up from 0.000001% to probably 2%) that the conservative government falls due to the sexual harassment allegations against 36 of their MPs (20~ cabinet ministers). if the government does indeed fall, it's very likely Labour would take power and they would likely negotiate for an EEA agreement.

An EEA agreement would involve us paying membership fees, obeying EU regulations and accepting the free movement of people. Personally if we have to leave the EU I'd like this softest of Brexits, but why would someone opposed to the EU like it?

[Dizzeeyooo]

3) UK has strong relations with US

as the bombardier dispute demonstrated so well

[Kallisto]

3) UK has strong relations with US

The US/UK relation since the Suez Crisis has been one of the US yelling Jump and the UK replying "HOW HIGH?!". We don't have a strong relationship of equals we have arelationship of if this was pre WW1 master and vassel state. Much like how we had some hands off approach to many indian states before indian independence.

[zealo]

The US/UK relation since the Suez Crisis has been one of the US yelling Jump and the UK replying "HOW HIGH?!". We don't have a strong relationship of equals we have arelationship of if this was pre WW1 master and vassel state. Much like how we had some hands off approach to many indian states before indian independence.

Ironically enough to this thread too, that power balance with the US is only going to get worse for the UK when outside of the EU. But hey, that's what they want.

[dribbles]

Ironically enough to this thread too, that power balance with the US is only going to get worse for the UK when outside of the EU. But hey, that's what they want.

It is quite natural for friends to be closer than enemies. The UK is a friend of the US and has never really thought much of the EU, tolerated at best would describe their relationship. I heard the phrase somewhere, better for the UK to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in, as a description of the troubled relationship the UK had with the EU. Soon we will be outside the EU tent. Meanwhile today.....

‘You’re facing the END of Europe' Catalan leader Puigdemont in chilling warning to EU

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...light-Brussels

Got to love that EU unity, by 2019 and the finalisation of Brexit, will the EU still exist even for the UK to piss at?

[Floopa]

Michael Barnier feeling the pressures of no deal as he capitulates and says he's ready to speed up Brexit talks/process in the next hours/days.

The European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, said on Tuesday that he was ready to speed up negotiations with Great Britain.

No deal is far more disastrous for eu than it is for Great Britain, and the eu finally realise this. they probably didn't bother to do the same research our government has and the 58 reports into the effects of Brexit on Great Britain's economy are very likely positive. the 58 reports cover 88% of the economy, with the final 12% being government ran functions (NHS, central government, etc) so it's a very extensive set of reports. these are not being shown to the public because the great news this would bring would probably hit our economy as the remoaner naysayers would finally have to admit Brexit is great and they would lose business off of the back of flogging fake news.

[Kalador]

Meanwhile today.....

‘You’re facing the END of Europe' Catalan leader Puigdemont in chilling warning to EU

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...light-Brussels

Lol, poor Puigdemont is not happy his illigal referendum with no electoral list or any verification where only 43 % people voted (actually we don't really know as there is no list but eh it's just the number of paper they had in boxes at the end of the day) is not recognize by the EU... Color me surprise.

EU is fine... You just wish EU collapse so brexit doesn't look like the shitiest idea anymore...

[Noradin]

LMAO - how the hell do you come up with shit!!!

Daily Mail internship, probably.