Yup this is true, when NPCs mention terms as infinite realities and all dimensions of possibilities. Then you are bound to have demonic versions of everything. Not to mention the madness of having a single entity in a infinite universe. 1 Archimonde that gets summoned into different realities of Wc3 by infinite Kel'thuzads
1 Kil'jeaden bound to spend a eternity talking to infinite Illidans on top of the wc3 black temple. Etc...
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The whole idea with caverns of time is to experience different realities that differ from MU and correct them. To make things worse, they claim AU is identical to MU and MU2 Draenor, before Garrosh travels back in time. yet there are several things that is already changed from the MU to AU without any intervention.
I like the idea that alt timelines only started after the Well exploded, and that there are only alt timelines of Azeroth unless otherwise created manually, and otherwise alt timelines only exist temporarily.
Solves a lot of issues, but sadly not canon, or known to be so yet.
Dunno why people complain about WoD timetravel when the one from WotA and even Caverns of Time is way worse.
1) garrosh brought them with him
2) portals
3) MU Draenor is outland, but yes connection is always there (with both draenor and outland)
4) because literally everyone hated wod and they want us to forget it ever existed
5) there is no AU archimonde, there is only a single archimonde across all realities because he is a demon.
Vele isnt a demon, so there are 2 of him.
6) AU velen gotta come from somewhere
Formerly known as Arafal
From my own observations of the bronze and infinite dragonflights and the warcraft novels. Its a bit like the multiverse theory but not quite. The true timeway, aka our world/Argus/outland is how time is supposed to happen. When someone time travels or goes into the caverns of time and alters time in a big way a new alternate timeway is created and unless it can be negated by the bronzes which they cannot do not since the hour of twilight exists.
Kairoz used the hourglass of time to teleport Garrosh and himself to AU Draenor. Before that happened the AU Draneor did not even exist till they travelled there. I also believe he created only Draenor at that time. Thats to say before the orcs when bad and attacked the draenei. Also only that planet and its moons and sun etc. The Hourglass was not most likely not powerful enough to create an entire universe and Kairoz wanted multiple Draenors to help conquer our universe and would not want anything but that since he would not want an alternate azeroth or legion maybe to screw up his plans. Also the moment he travelled to draenor it created a link to our azeroth because he would want the iron horde to invade.
When the origanal dark portal was made by Medivh and later destroyed by khadgar the framework was gone but the link remained and in Beyond the Dark Portal was restored. So the one in tanaan that we destoyed did not destroy AU's link with us hence portal from mages were quite easy to make. Like the fact that we can make portals to Shattrath in outland. I think the link to outland still exist and a really powerful mage could attune the dark portal back to that at some point or AU Draenor. Some of my theories. Feel free to comment on it.
Actually most of your plotholes have been addressed very clearly.
Came with us.There were goblins on Draenor. How?
Through all the portals we established in Ashran. Those were lore. Mostly put there for player connivance, but they exist in lore. Took a lot of effort to set up.How did we get back to Azeroth?
I assume you mean AU Draenor?Are MU Azeroth and MU Draenor permanently connected?
This one is a little trickier. We have portals set up, but they're not the most stable thing since they don't have grand structures (like the Dark Portal) to hold them. It's probably a lot of maintenance/power to hold them, but hold them we do. If they failed, lore wise, we'd probably lose our connection to AU Draenor would be lost.
Because we aren't asking them. They're cleaning up the mess made by the Iron Horde and the Legion right now. They'll come if we call for them, but I don't think they're keeping tabs on us so to speak. They're focusing on their world first and foremost.If we're permanently connected, why aren't the Draenei forces of Draenor fighting alongside us on Argus?
Given that timeline was picked for being so close to ours, I assume he also went demon.What happened to AU Archimonde?
Because Velen never went demon. Apparently, and here I agree they have a problem, going demon means that you fuse with every version of yourself that also went demon. Which would mean there's an infinite number of you uncorrupted, but only one of you corrupted. Best answer I have for you.If there's only one Archimonde and Kil'Jaedin, how are there two Velens?
I assume no. I assume the same thing applies for planets that have been drenched in fel, they merge with all over corrupted versions of it.Is there an AU Argus?
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I have one issue with this. How? How did they do this? They went through a portal, then Garrosh had a copy of the Dark Portal made and connected it to ours with the shard. At what point and how did they bring AU draenor to our world?
There is one very simple explanation for why there isn't a demonic Velen. I believe that there are several references that the Second Duumvirate lead their people out of a dark age, so for all we know, if there aren't Velen and Kil'Jaeden to lead the Eredar, there isn't an Eredar civilization that catches Sargeras' (or his AU counterpart's) attention. Kil'Jaeden, however, is envious of Velen for his gift, his vision, his faith, so we can guess that it was Velen who was instrumental to the prosperity of the Eredar. In fact, placement of Velen's statue at the center of the composition of the Triumvirate lends to this hypothesis. That would mean that Velen without the gift of sight either isn't a leader or the Eredar never recover and are doomed, so no Legion is that AU. If Velen has the gift but is somehow susceptible to corruption nonetheless, he would likely first be turned at Thal'Kiel's proposal. As this is apparently long before Sargeras is turned, the warlock Eredar are more likely to be destroyed by Sargeras the Defender, so no Legion Eredar there. Without Thal'Kiel, Archomonde doesn't become the third ruler of the Eredar, the Duumvirate stays that way and Kil'Jaeden is more likely to listen to Velen (who can still see the future and doesn't like what he sees) without Archimonde's voice to support him. So the Eredar don't turn and Sargeras destroys them for spurning him. And if Kil'Jaeden turns to spite Velen, the Eredar are now split more evenly so Velen stays on Argus instead of fleeing, seeing his chance. He either gets killed or perhaps Naaru get enough time to lend him military aid instead of just a trasport ship, so he wins and Sargeras then destroys Argus. In fact, if Argus has the Worldsoul in that AU, Velen might get aid from him as well.
The only way for demon Velen to occur would be for him to decline Thal'Kiel's offer of Fel but then fall for Sargeras' words immidiately (despite having fiture sight). If he doubts Sargeras' offer he goes to consult Ata'mal crystal which is the gift from the Naaru, doesn't go through and flees Argus (or perhaps dies trying).
I mean....Probably?
It's hard enough to try to justify WoD as it is :P
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As replied to the other post,you're right,and like all that AU stuff,it fucks with plot a lot
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summed it up quite right
If you recall, waaaaaaay back in burning crusade, you fight prince melchazaar as the final boss of karazhan. He drops gorehowl. Yah THE gorehowl. That proves they had wod-style AUs in mind even back then because obviously he got if off of some AU horde.
My current understanding is that the AU draenor of WoD was just a pocket universe specially selected by Kairoz. Altho just why legion was invading a pocket universe escapes me.
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