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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by dyljames94 View Post
    Hmm.

    Why another faction war?
    Because it has been Horde vs Alliance has been part of Warcraft since Warcraft 1

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Aestholus View Post
    1.The Attack on the Wrathgate didn't cause a War between Horde and Alliance. Varian was teleported away by Jaina and later spoke with Thrall and let Saurfang take his son back in the Alliance version of Icecrown citadel.

    2.The assasination of Archduke Ferdinand caused the war between Austria-Hungary and Serbia not the First World War it exploded when Russia came to Serbias rescue causing Germany to declare war against Russia which in turn caused France to declare war against Germany.

    I made a comparison between both situations because initially the Horde didn't declare war against the Alliance but the Alliance came to help Gilneas and the Night elves had an expedition crops with warships and siege weapons. You even destroy an airship of the horde with their help.

    3. The Horde invaded Gilneas how didn't they cause the conclict?
    Your first statement is wrong. Wrathgate lead to the deaths of Bolvar & Dranosh both of whom return in Icecrown Citadel. the event after Wrathgate Battle for the Undercity has Varian litterally declaring war on the horde read the dialogue in the first comment http://www.wowhead.com/quest=13377/t...-the-undercity it explains why nobody or so few people actually trust the forsaken post Wrathgate/battle for undercity. and Varian let Saurfang take his sons corpse not Jaina
    King Varian Wrynn says: Stand down, Muradin. Let a grieving father pass.

    Secondly Assassination of Archduke Ferdinand ignited a powerkeg which lead to a spiral of events causing WWI ( its Highschool history )
    Garrosh ordered the Forsaken to invade Gilneas after the wall fell due to the cataclysm ( the forsaken already have previous history of conflict with the Gilneans thats why there is a wall ) the Night elves come weeks after to aid the gilneans as they had sensed the conflict.

  3. #243
    I wonder if this expansion will see the Zandalari ally with the horde.
    This could goes with the predictions for increased character customization - the Zandalar trolls look very different from the Darkspear (the male Zandalari use a male night elf skeleton)

    Also, what's the purpose of having Stormwind unless she intends to turn the human fatalities into more forsaken?
    Last edited by leggomydairy; 2017-11-02 at 10:45 PM.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    there is no way of then to rebuild themselves when you put someone like sylvanas as supreme leader, everything is just expected

    they could put alliance to start true, but who is more "evil" than sylvanas among the alliance? Gen don't have enough power to star something
    Genn could play upon Anduin's inexperience and age to get some political points.

    Also I think he wouldn't have much problems rallying humans against Forsaken since majority see them as monsters + Lordaeron nostalgia.

  5. #245
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aestholus View Post
    The Invasion ended with the Forsaken being pushed out.
    Gilneas wasn't part of the Alliance the start of it but by the End it was part of the Alliance.
    Therefore the Fourth War didn't started then.

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Dagoth Ur View Post
    It's more about Horde once again being painted as aggressors than Sylvanas.

    Horde should be rebuilding itself, not starting wars, since they're weaker faction ever since Soo.

    They could have Alliance start it for once.
    If Warcraft followed real-world rules regarding "rebuilding," then there wouldn't be a single soldier left in the Alliance or the Horde. Every race has been portrayed as "nearly extinct" at some point in the last ten years, and have been at constant war for that entire time. Their resources, both in manpower and supply, would be utterly spent.

    Two expansions is a lifetime ago in Azeroth time. If they had the ability to fight off a Legion invasion, they have the power to oppose the Alliance. And something tells me Sylvanas doesn't plan on fighting fair.

    You know why the Horde are always portrayed as the aggressors? Because they ally themselves with a lot of bad hombres. And Sylvanas is one bad hombre. And even worse, she's evil AND desperate. Now, you want to argue that it shouldn't be that way? Okay, fine. But this isn't some new thing. The Horde has always been the dark shade of grey morality-wise. Plus, the Alliance, which was supposed to be the lighter grey, has been portrayed pretty damn close to pure good throughout WoW. Unless they were changed massively, them starting a war is simply out-of-character. Greymane wants too, of course, but if the Alliance could make peace with the Forsaken after the shit they pulled in Gilneas, then what could cause them to attack first this time?

  7. #247
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    Quote Originally Posted by urfaustus View Post
    Because it has been Horde vs Alliance has been part of Warcraft since Warcraft 1
    There wasn't an Alliance in Warcraft I and in Warcraft III the Third War was against the Legion Invasion.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    I dunno, we find island shrouded in weird gas (not mist) and discover elephant people eating curry ?
    Oh, methane, good, at least we can light it up before landing there.

  9. #249
    War makes sense to be honest.

    The Legion is finished. The Horde and Alliance are likely oblivious of N’zoth’s existence. The Scourge appears contained by Bolvar. The Naga are unreachable. There is nothing in the way of the Horde and Alliance dealing with each other at this point and likely they see each other as their biggest threat.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Dagoth Ur View Post
    They could have Alliance start it for once.
    The problem is that, even if that happened, it would have to come from two characters to be logical in any way; it would be either Genn or Jaina. Malfurion, Velen, the dwarven council and Mekkatorque are all off the chart.

    If you then break down the reasoning behind their hatred and aggression towards the Horde, it would be reasoning a hundred times better and easier explainable than the one Horde had when it was the first to start it. It would be a war based on vengeance and revenge, not mindless hatred. In this sense all Blizzard would do is give the Alliance even more edge as it would look like they're finally giving the Horde what it had coming for such a long time.
    Last edited by Magnagarde; 2017-11-02 at 10:56 PM.

  11. #251
    golden is a piece of shit.
    i read essays from children with better storys.
    she is as good as that "fuck that looser" guy from diablo3 who wrote the shitstory and became a writer after.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by dyljames94 View Post
    Hmm.

    Why another faction war?
    Because the humans tried to assassinate the Warchief of the Horde. Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Oh, methane, good, at least we can light it up before landing there.
    Remember modoc ! If you do it, some serious shit will happen.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Because the humans tried to assassinate the Warchief of the Horde. Again.
    Nathanos tried to give her AIDS. He didn't succeed.

    That filthy human.

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by PaterMDx View Post
    golden is a piece of shit.
    i read essays from children with better storys.
    she is as good as that "fuck that looser" guy from diablo3 who wrote the shitstory and became a writer after.
    Lol, no one is as bad as Jay Wilson, no one.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by iamthedevil View Post
    Lol, no one is as bad as Jay Wilson, no one.
    jay "fuck that looser" wilson.
    well, golden is the female wilson.

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    Btw they just made the whole MoP end cutscene pointless and made VolJin a fail piece of blind shit.
    Thrall and Varian basically provided VoJIn an opportunity to make Horde great again, and then VoJin did nothing, listened to some bullshit spirts then gave the crazy elf the nuclear bomb and fcking died. One of the most epic character fails in Blizzard history. He was as harmful as cancer.
    Last edited by Harbour; 2017-11-02 at 11:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    I dunno, we find island shrouded in weird gas (not mist) and discover elephant people eating curry ?
    WoW: Odors of the Murloc isles

    I'd be fine with this.
    If you knew the candle was fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    and made VolJin a fail piece of blind shit.
    At least that is consistent.

  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Nekosom View Post
    If Warcraft followed real-world rules regarding "rebuilding," then there wouldn't be a single soldier left in the Alliance or the Horde. Every race has been portrayed as "nearly extinct" at some point in the last ten years, and have been at constant war for that entire time. Their resources, both in manpower and supply, would be utterly spent.

    Two expansions is a lifetime ago in Azeroth time. If they had the ability to fight off a Legion invasion, they have the power to oppose the Alliance. And something tells me Sylvanas doesn't plan on fighting fair.

    You know why the Horde are always portrayed as the aggressors? Because they ally themselves with a lot of bad hombres. And Sylvanas is one bad hombre. And even worse, she's evil AND desperate. Now, you want to argue that it shouldn't be that way? Okay, fine. But this isn't some new thing. The Horde has always been the dark shade of grey morality-wise. Plus, the Alliance, which was supposed to be the lighter grey, has been portrayed pretty damn close to pure good throughout WoW. Unless they were changed massively, them starting a war is simply out-of-character. Greymane wants too, of course, but if the Alliance could make peace with the Forsaken after the shit they pulled in Gilneas, then what could cause them to attack first this time?
    I said it above, you could easily have this same conflict started by Alliance.

    Anduin is young and inexperienced so someone older and more charismatic (like Genn or Taylor or Jaina) could easily score some political points there.
    Turaylon is also gonna come back to Azeroth learning how his homeland is blight infested and inhabited by undead.
    They made Clalia Menethil give literally zero fucks about Lordaeron even though she is rightful heir.

    Alliance is always portrayed as reactionary faction which is kinda shame since you could have some really cool story arcs otherwise.
    For example, you could have Anduin learning the hardships of ruling and being a king by trying to prevent war Genn or someone else wants to start.
    I always wanted to see some sort of Light-based Spannish inqisition type of conflict against Forsaken or something weird like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    The problem is that, even if that happened, it would have to come from two characters to be logical in any way; it would be either Genn or Jaina. Malfurion, Velen, the dwarven council and Mekkatorque are all off the chart.

    If you then break down the reasoning behind their hatred and aggression towards the Horde, it would be reasoning a hundred times better and easier explainable than the one Horde had when it was the first to start it. It would be a war based on vengeance and revenge, not mindless hatred. In this sense all Blizzard would do is give the Alliance even more edge as it would look like they're finally giving the Horde what it had coming for such a long time.
    Yea that's what I was thinking. It would be cool way to shook things up a bit in Alliance.
    Last edited by Dagoth Ur; 2017-11-02 at 11:08 PM.

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