The Orville

[draynay]

"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was about as subtle as this episode.

[Wezmon]

Interesting premise this last week. Too bad Black Mirror did it first, and did it better.

I don't know if the knocks on the shallowness of Twitter/Facebook culture were well-done or not. It seemed very not-subtle to me, but I think it may have flown over some people's heads. But when they said "How can you filter out what's true?" it kind of gave away the premise to the not-so-astute. The whole boardroom scene to me was basically Seth saying, "Hey, we're drawing a connection here to our own current society of social media."

I actually think it brings up more than just that, it's a look at democracy as a whole and how it goes wrong. Even today the system is flawed.. the parties need the public vote to get into power, and so need to pander to the publics wants, rather than their needs. And so when democracy becomes absolute like here it amplifies the problem.

Thought the episode was ok but did prefer the black mirror version. Also why let the number go to so close to 10 million,just made the moment really cheesy rather than dramatic

[Endus]

I actually think it brings up more than just that, it's a look at democracy as a whole and how it goes wrong. Even today the system is flawed.. the parties need the public vote to get into power, and so need to pander to the publics wants, rather than their needs. And so when democracy becomes absolute like here it amplifies the problem.

Yeah, they even referenced this specifically in the scene when they brought the girl back to the Orville. She couldn't understand why they wouldn't give everyone a voice in matters of policy and justice, the Orville crew couldn't understand why you'd want EVERYONE's voice on those, rather than the informed voices of professionals suited to those endeavours.

Thought the episode was ok but did prefer the black mirror version. Also why let the number go to so close to 10 million,just made the moment really cheesy rather than dramatic

Yeah, that was superdumb. I knew they were gonna do it, but stopping the counter at 9,891,476 is pretty much just as freaky as 9,999,996.

[draynay]

I was kinda hoping the guards would hit the down button after he shit talked them and really hasten him to flee the planet, but they just made sure to emphasize he learned nothing from the experience.

[deepr]

I enjoyed it. Yeah, it was not so subtle, in fact, it was almost South Park level satire, but that suits a topic like this. I hate the social media hysteria in today's world.

[Wezmon]

I was kinda hoping the guards would hit the down button after he shit talked them and really hasten him to flee the planet, but they just made sure to emphasize he learned nothing from the experience.

That was exactly my thought, I think there were 4 guards which would have been perfect if they's all just clicked red. Not sure if you lobotomized that character you'd notice much difference anyway

[eschatological]

Technically, the guards would have been downvoting him after the apology tour window was over. So it wouldn't have mattered anyways.

[yetgdhfgh]

I gotta admit though my obvious skepticism at the start is obvious i have genuinely grown attached to this show.

I have edited my opening statement

[frogger237]

I liked this weeks episode better then last weeks. Glad each of the main cast members got an episode that focused more on them, I just wish Johns was more character building and less about the lesson of the week or what ever you want to call it.

[Kokolums]

I actually think it brings up more than just that, it's a look at democracy as a whole and how it goes wrong. Even today the system is flawed..

The system is not flawed. The system is perfect. HUMANS are flawed. The reason governments never work is humans are too corrupt. Direct democracy fails because the citizens are too corrupt to wield it correctly and use it for fun, sport, or social status instead of actually voting for good decisions. Republics fail because the representatives just get corrupted. Switch to monarchy? The king just gets corrupted. Socialism? The party just gets corrupted.

[Wezmon]

The system is not flawed. The system is perfect. HUMANS are flawed. The reason governments never work is humans are too corrupt. Direct democracy fails because the citizens are too corrupt to wield it correctly and use it for fun, sport, or social status instead of actually voting for good decisions. Republics fail because the representatives just get corrupted. Switch to monarchy? The king just gets corrupted. Socialism? The party just gets corrupted.

A perfect system based on imperfect people doesn't sound very perfect to me. Of course people are flawed, and therefore allowing them to be the ones to make the decisions is stupid.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating a better system, and I think it's clearly the best of a bad bunch.

I see Orville got picked up for a second season, would have been pretty depressing if STD had been renewed and not actual star trek ;p

[eschatological]

It's like the Matrix analogy, where the computers invented the perfect world for their human mind farms, free of pain and suffering, and the human mind automatically rejected it, and a whole crop was pretty much lost.

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And it got picked up for a seond season, yeah!

[jakeic]

I liked this weeks episode better then last weeks. Glad each of the main cast members got an episode that focused more on them, I just wish Johns was more character building and less about the lesson of the week or what ever you want to call it.

I thought the episode was fine, but I'm not sure I was on board with stabbing and shooting the guy who saved the doctor, only to have the doc tell her kid that they respect life too much to go above the stun setting.

[Elba]

I thought the episode was fine, but I'm not sure I was on board with stabbing and shooting the guy who saved the doctor, only to have the doc tell her kid that they respect life too much to go above the stun setting.

Not like she had a choice.

[deepr]

Ehh that last episode.... it was kind of funny and cringeworthy at the same time.

[nomaam]

Least it's watchable which is more than I can say for ST.

[jakeic]

Not like she had a choice.

She could have left when she escaped her room. And we don't exactly know what her choices were, since the captor wasn't really developed beyond being someone who would rescue an alien and then feed it and shelter it despite the resources required to do so being very costly. Finally, he's willing to risk his life to retrieve medical supplies that she requests.

This is the point I'm trying to make, his intentions were unclear, we don't know what he wanted, we can assume what he wanted because the doctor guessed as to why she was there, but nothing was ever made clear about the situation. She then chooses to kill the person who had saved her rather than just leave when the opportunity presented itself. I'm not upset that the story did this, I'm unhappy that the story gives us this loose end or logical incongruity that could have been solved with an extra line of dialog or by a character making a choice that actually fits into persona. Even with her decision remaining the same the story could have explained it away by showing the doctor struggling with the decision she made.

It seems nit-picky, and it is, but it's the difference between something that is watchable and something that is good.

[frogger237]

Gotta say I really disliked Kelly so far but Adrianne Palicki singing made me start to like her. Kinda wish we got the whole song.

[Sunseeker]

I don't know if the last episode makes Darulio better, or worse, or Kelly for that matter.