Capitalism will also cause bread lines but those will be permanent

[Daethz]

Still waiting on that vast innovation.

Oh wait, except that it's extremely hard to innovate space travel when being outside of the planets range of gravity causes advanced health problems we are just barely scratching the surface about ranging from lonely crazy space sickness to heart failure to fucking blindness.

And you think "let's just have science fix all that" when we could just let science moderate the resources of our planet so we don't have generations of mutant children born in space. (And I say mutant and mean it literally, because a pregnancy in space would be -UGLY-. And then you have the problems with morality and space mutant abortion.)

Which is why we need to fully sequence the human genome so we know what has been mutated in the first place so we can fix it, and yes, the first humans who colonize space will run into deadly problems, just like how people who sailed to america knew they might never find anything and die too.

I would personally agree to be one of the first humans to colonize mars even if it was a one-way trip with a 99% chance of death within a few short years, atleast my life would helped propel the human species forward in a huge way

[Mittens]

As we all know, socialism in all of its brilliance ushered the world in an age of eco-friendliness.

[Linkedblade]

Correlation does not imply causation. You can't just find a bunch of contemporary statistics and claim they are due to another contemporary event.

I guess capitalism is the cause of the decrease in the amount of pirates and increase in Trump supporters.

[Independent voter]

Russian communists waiting in line to get into store.



Russian communists in line to buy shoes.



Russian communists in line for McDonalds.

[Tico]

I don't say capitalism is the best system for humans.
I believe that the average human moral level is much more important that the system they live in.
Or maybe it is connected and soon we get to a different level with a different system?

[Forogil]

So if Countries that called themselves Communist are not Communist, but Socialist; for all intents and purposes, they are the same.

It's more complicated - and both words have many meanings.

Communism and socialist can be synonyms as you imply; but according to traditional Marxism communism was the goal of the class-less society; whereas socialism (or lower stage communism) was the stepping stone towards that - under the rule of the proletariat. Additionally a "communist country" would be heresy as "communism" wasn't supposed to recognize any borders. (I'm not saying this analysis has anything to do with reality; merely explaining how the words are used.)

That's why USSR and PRC officially were socialist countries ruled by communist parties.

Additionally both communism and socialism's repeated failures have caused a drift in the language, because many don't want to be associated with such failures.

[Linkedblade]

Corporations make insecticides in capitalistic countries.
The state need makes insecticides in socialistic countries in order to avoid starvation. They usually fail, or try to reinvent genetics (see Lysenko) and fail in that as well.

Actually, that's where you're wrong kiddo. Poor air quality and pesticides on plants and flowers is a direct result of corporations using every little trick in the book to remain as profitable as possible within the current regulative guidelines and laws.

That's actually what regulations and guidelines are for, a corporation to retain profitability while also ensuring that its practices don't overtly negatively affect their neighbors and the environment.

Now try asking what a conservative thinks regulations are for.

Oh spooky. A conservative will say that regulations hinder business. But that's only in policy. The population can boycott a company and force them to have better, eco-friendly policies.

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Corporations make insecticides in capitalistic countries.
The state need makes insecticides in socialistic countries in order to avoid starvation. They usually fail, or try to reinvent genetics (see Lysenko) and fail in that as well.

I don't say capitalism is the best system for humans.
I believe that the average human moral level is much more important that the system they live in.
Or maybe it is connected and soon we get to a different level with a different system?

It's the best system for humans because resources are scarce/finite.

[bison91]

Russian communists waiting in line to get into store.



Russian communists in line to buy shoes.



Russian communists in line for McDonalds.

Strange that all that was happening when democrats like gorbachev took the power...

[Deleted]

Strange that all that was happening when democrats like gorbachev took the power...

Russians really just like lines.

[Deleted]

Correlation does not imply causation. You can't just find a bunch of contemporary statistics and claim they are due to another contemporary event.

I guess capitalism is the cause of the decrease in the amount of pirates and increase in Trump supporters.

Decrease in the amount of pirates came from the need to protect merchant ships from attacks and globalisation is a known factor in the trump vote, so ironically you're right it is

[Chinese Bootlickers]

Good to see the mods are still doing their job.

[Magical Mudcrab]

Not exactly what you're trying to prove here with bee deaths, wages, and global warming. This looks like an utter garbage attempt to try and look smart while you provided logistically no proof.

It's a lot of work attempting to show some kind of loose correlation without being able to show any causation.

[Daelak]

As we all know, socialism in all of its brilliance ushered the world in an age of eco-friendliness.

Eco friendliness? You do know why the EPA was created correct?

[Tico]

It's the best system for humans because resources are scarce/finite.

More and more resources are getting infinite. Just think about energy.
However, I'm not saying living on the Earth can be like a living with only infinite resources. Earth has its boundaries with its ecosystem to be preserved.
But still, the above reasoning is not acceptable for me.

[Linkedblade]

More and more resources are getting infinite. Just think about energy.
However, I'm not saying living on the Earth can be like a living with only infinite resources. Earth has its boundaries with its ecosystem to be preserved.
But still, the above reasoning is not acceptable for me.

That's my issue with communism. What happens when a new resource becomes available but is very scarce? Does the community take turns? What about if its something like a vaccine that is immediately depleted? Who determines who gets it first?

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That's my issue with communism. What happens when a new resource becomes available but is very scarce? Does the community take turns? What about if its something like a vaccine that is immediately depleted? Who determines who gets it first?

It's not like treatments for rare diseases are notoriously overpriced in the US, leading to medical bills being the #1 cause of bankruptcy

[Theinquisition]

the International Union of Soviet Socialist Countries

Hate to tell you this fella, but communism isn't very great on the environment either.

[Linkedblade]

It's not like treatments for rare diseases are notoriously overpriced in the US, leading to medical bills being the #1 cause of bankruptcy

It's was a quick thought up example of what I was aiming for. But literally any rare resource. Be it a new technology, natural resource, etc. If you do not have enough to share among the entire population what does the community do? This is a fundamental issue that needs to be fixed with communism else it'll collapse the moment demand exceeds the ability of the community to produce the resource.

[Deleted]

It's was a quick thought up example of what I was aiming for. But literally any rare resource. Be it a new technology, natural resource, etc. If you do not have enough to share among the entire population what does the community do? This is a fundamental issue that needs to be fixed with communism else it'll collapse the moment demand exceeds the ability of the community to produce the resource.

If a ressource is scarce it will be allocated to things/people that need it most. If it was gold, you would see it used in electronics and scientific research and not allowed to be wasted on jewelry and vanity items just because a few people can buy it.

I will also remind you that the very essence capitalism creates an incentive for artificial scarcity, which happens with anything from diamonds to basic necessities like wheat flour in the past before laws were passed to forbid it.

[Linkedblade]

If a ressource is scarce it will be allocated to things/people that need it most.

Who decides this. Who overlooks this. Who enforces this.

The very fact that you can assign value to something and do with it as seen fit are capitalist principles.