Battle for Azeroth DH Changes

[Ooshraxa]

Just like at the start of every xpac since cata they will try to reduce tank self sustain, fail miserably and back to square one.

Well, one can hope. I love the sustain for running random PUG M+. I would do far less of them if I actually had to rely on a PUG healer.

[Myta]

Just like at the start of every xpac since cata they will try to reduce tank self sustain, fail miserably and back to square one.

I think the nerf to Spirit Bomb is solely down to making it so VDH actually use Soul Cleave. Now Spirit Bomb won't heal so much it replaces Soul Cleave and instead we must use the abilities in tandem.

That's how I see it.

[MookieRah]

The problem with a nerf to spirit bomb healing in this way means we also lose a significant amount of damage. To me I found that Vengeance is actually balanced pretty well against the other tanks, because while it was a bit weaker defensively, it offsets that by being stronger offensively. If they reduce the viability of spirit bomb without bumping up other sources of damage Vengeance runs the risk of being mediocre to bad again. It is still way to early to be concerned though, as they will likely go through many changes before 8.0. The other tanks might see equal nerfs to survivability so that things equal out, or they may buff the mitigation of Vengeance a tad as well.

[Raern]

I don't know where you got Felicia from. The users name is Raika.

LMFAO this actually made me lol. I remember the first time I heard this joke.

[elfporn]

I think the nerf to Spirit Bomb is solely down to making it so VDH actually use Soul Cleave. Now Spirit Bomb won't heal so much it replaces Soul Cleave and instead we must use the abilities in tandem.

That's how I see it.

Except the resource requirements for soulcleave are jarring within the rotation; Which is one of the main reasons i personally love sb over sc

[Myta]

Except the resource requirements for soulcleave are jarring within the rotation; Which is one of the main reasons i personally love sb over sc

I agree, which is why I think Soul Cleave should be cheaper, like 5-10 pain realistically.

[Essem]

What is considered primary target of an Eye Beam? The closest? The one targetted? Its not a targetted ability so im a little confused.

[Tech614]

I think the nerf to Spirit Bomb is solely down to making it so VDH actually use Soul Cleave. Now Spirit Bomb won't heal so much it replaces Soul Cleave and instead we must use the abilities in tandem.

That's how I see it.

Soul Cleave already out heals SB on single target. SB is flat out broken on multi mob tanking, and still will be even at 10%.

It's pointless to even discuss with an entire alpha and beta to come over the course of probably close to a year, things aren't going to end up even in the same ballpark as the blizzcon demo.

[Sylvaeres]

Demon Hunter still not getting a 3rd spec? How much time needs to go by before DH gets a 3rd spec already.

Lmao excellent troll

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They can't get 2 specs to the right place and you're asking them for 3rd ?

Lmao and then there's this nonsense. Vengeance was good multiple times this expac, and Havoc was also in very good places. Stop complaining that a class is bad because you're not good at it

[Ysho]

What is considered primary target of an Eye Beam? The closest? The one targetted? Its not a targetted ability so im a little confused.

Based on how this has worked for other similar abilities, the target you have selected takes the additional damage. If you have no target selected, all targets are considered secondary targets.

[Lucrece]

Lmao excellent troll

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Lmao and then there's this nonsense. Vengeance was good multiple times this expac, and Havoc was also in very good places. Stop complaining that a class is bad because you're not good at it

Numerical status is not the same thing as shitty class design. At least momentum and bloodlet play was more engaging, now the whole playstyle of havoc is stale as fuck.

[Deleted]

Based on how this has worked for other similar abilities, the target you have selected takes the additional damage. If you have no target selected, all targets are considered secondary targets.

Which would be quite a punishing mechanic if implemented in this way.

[MookieRah]

Went and checked again, Vengeance has a new painbringer passive that ups our mitigation for each soul we consume. Imo this will translate into less healing but more innate tankyness and probably balance out nicely. It would also indirectly buff soul cleave because it’s healing is unaffected. Sounds fine to me.

[Tinary]

I think the nerf to Spirit Bomb is solely down to making it so VDH actually use Soul Cleave. Now Spirit Bomb won't heal so much it replaces Soul Cleave and instead we must use the abilities in tandem.

That's how I see it.

You still use SC when you need a heal in that exact moment but even this 10% nerf to Fraility means that using SB is better cause it does more dps. Tho, we have to see if the artifact ability's/traits stay in or not since the 15% heal from fire damage is what makes SB good in aoe backs with his huge dmg.

[Zyrosis]

Went and checked again, Vengeance has a new painbringer passive that ups our mitigation for each soul we consume. Imo this will translate into less healing but more innate tankyness and probably balance out nicely. It would also indirectly buff soul cleave because it’s healing is unaffected. Sounds fine to me.

You do know that painbringer is a trait on your artifact weapon, so Vengeance already has that, right? It's one of the Gold traits no less.

[Tic Tacs]

They can't get 2 specs to the right place and you're asking them for 3rd ?

Well, most classes have the same issue, one spec is always superior over another so argument about balance is incorrect.

Druids have 4 talent specs.

[Deleted]

Well, most classes have the same issue, one spec is always superior over another so argument about balance is incorrect.

Druids have 4 talent specs.

yes, and 3 of them are really good while DHs have mediocre at best

[Ysho]

Which would be quite a punishing mechanic if implemented in this way.

I don't see how. Why would you ever not be targeting something in combat? The game now auto-targets nearest enemy when using most damaging abilities anyway. The other way to do it would be how First Blood works (First Target Hit).

[Tic Tacs]

yes, and 3 of them are really good while DHs have mediocre at best

Rogues have 3 damage specs, only 1 is working properly to my knowledge so we are in far better boat in terms of balance between specs.

[Measure]

I heard we lost fury of the illidari? Please say it aint so