Bloodlust did not exist in Vanilla

[Dangg]

I see so many posts here talking about faction imbalance due to alliance not having bloodlust.

How do people not know this? There is no way someone who played back then can't remember that, even if it's 12 years ago. It was such a big part of the game.

[Florena]

Wasn't alliance BETTER suited to pve back in vanilla anyway, bloodlust or no?

[Eleccybubb]

Shamans had it but only horde had shamans.

No they didn't. Not in Vanilla.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Bloodlust

TBC Patch 2.0.1 (2006-12-05): Added

Was the TBC systems patch but well how are you going to even own it when it required 70?

[Daggot Ur]

BL is lvl 70 ability wtf are you talking about here???

[Xjev]

No they didn't. Not in Vanilla.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Bloodlust

TBC Patch 2.0.1 (2006-12-05): Added

ahh ok then, I started late Vanilla so had TBC in mind.

[Charge me Doctor]

Wasn't alliance BETTER suited to pve back in vanilla anyway, bloodlust or no?

Dwarven priests and paladins > all. Fear ward and salv were imba

[Eleccybubb]

BL is lvl 70 ability wtf are you talking about here???

Because a few people are under the insane illusion that Bloodlust was a thing in Vanilla and want to make sure it stays even though it wasn't in.

[jackofwind]

Shamans had it but only horde had shamans.

No they didn't.

It's not frustration with you specifically, it's frustration with what seems to be a huge amount of people who swear they raided in Vanilla but don't even know that BL wasn't added until BC. Yet they'll swear they were 7/8 T3 or some other nonsense.

[Felrane]

Yep bloodlust was added in BC. The main reason alliance was better at PVE was because blizzard loved Fear and dwarf priests could fear ward. Also paladins had blessing of Salvation that reduced threat by 30% that was Class specific. While shamans had tranquil air totem it only worked in the party, it also was the same totem class as windfury and windfury caused massive threat.

[Laqweeta]

Wasn't BC all about leatherworking so you had Drums in each group of 5? lmao

[LongTimeCreeper]

BL is lvl 70 ability wtf are you talking about here???

Wasn't it originally a lvl 64 ability? But yes, your point still stands.

[Notshauna]

Wasn't BC all about leatherworking so you had Drums in each group of 5? lmao

That was pretty much only done in Sunwell, because none of the other raids were so overtuned that people figured it out.

[nothingsjim]

Nevermind the fact that Bloodlust didn't exist in Vanilla, there's also an added case of aggro. You want Bloodlust? Sure, enjoy your afk since it's either that or you overaggro.

People seems to forgot aggro was a HUGE deal back then, and Alliance had it much easier due to Blessing of Salvation. The Horde equivalent (Tranq Air Totem) doesn't even compare since it's group based.

Faction imbalance? Yes, but it's Alliance having the upperhand due to BoS. You hear some complains about Shaman's Poison Cleansing Totem OP, but that's just one fight in AQ, while BoS work wonder for all raids and dungeons in Vanilla.

[Xenryusho]

Maybe they're confusing bloodlust with fear ward.

[mickybrighteyes]

Wasn't alliance BETTER suited to pve back in vanilla anyway, bloodlust or no?

yes and now. Horde had windfury totem which was a stupid melee dmg multiplier. Alliance had fear ward...

edit:

threat was something people had to worry about, yes... but all worthwhile dps classes had tools to handle that. You only really got fucked if you were out gearing/dps your tank to an obscene margin or the tank kept eating abilities that forced them off the boss. Or maybe you over did your attack optimization and got a lucky string of proccs into proccs for more proccs (sword spec, windfury, thrash blade, hand of justice, etc could procc off each other with no internal cooldown)

[babalou1]

Remember folks... Count to 5 before you start dpsing.

[Jazzhands]

Remember folks... Count to 5 before you start dpsing.

Wait for 5 sunders.

[Seramore]

Wow, RIP I forgot that BL was learned at 70.

I'll never forget being in a party where we chained them in raids though.

[Jazzhands]

yes and now. Horde had windfury totem which was a stupid melee dmg multiplier. Alliance had fear ward...

edit:

threat was something people had to worry about, yes... but all worthwhile dps classes had tools to handle that. You only really got fucked if you were out gearing/dps your tank to an obscene margin or the tank kept eating abilities that forced them off the boss. Or maybe you over did your attack optimization and got a lucky string of proccs into proccs for more proccs (sword spec, windfury, thrash blade, hand of justice, etc could procc off each other with no internal cooldown)

I don't think Mage, warrior, or warlock had an aggro reduction in Vanilla. I could be wrong though, it's been a very long time and a lot of small spells have gone to the way side. I do know warlocks got one in TBC though, so I'm fairly certain they didn't have one in Vanilla.

[Stormspellz]

Wasn't alliance BETTER suited to pve back in vanilla anyway, bloodlust or no?

YES fear ward and blessing of salvation (old version)