We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
Yeah, you were raiding Orgrimmar. How do you people even convince yourselves that that's Horde love? Like, I'm convinced that it takes a genius to convince themselves of something so stupid.
Please explain the jawdropping argument of how ousting your Warchief, raiding your capital, and then going back in time to kill all of your heroes is somehow even remotely pro-Orc.
In all seriousness, the Horde died once that started pushing the 'multiculti "Horde be a family mon" band of underdogs' nonsense. That doesn't describe the Horde from Orcs and Humans all the way up to Garrosh, but once the Darkspear Rebellion kicks off, the angle is shoehorned in, and the writers pretend it was there the entire time by twisting themes from WCIII.
Obviously that doesn't sit well with players, which is why so many people hated Warchief Vol'jin. Where has that left us though? With Sylvanas. She's better than Vol'jin, her "Horde" is better than the Horde from the Darkspear Rebellion to Vol'jin's death, but it's not the Horde. I sympathize, but unless we get another proper Orc character to pick up the mantle of Warchief and influence the Horde as a whole, she's the best we have.
obviously nothing will show Blizzs love of the Alliance more than garona assassinating every racial leader
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na, its just the easiest kind of story for Blizzs kinda stories.
Why we had another rebellion storyline with Suramar. Rebellion instantly makes someone an underdog and instantly a hero. Easy peasy.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
I could see Frostwolf Orcs being a thing since they are really the only Orcs that never joined the Iron Horde. Since we helped save Draenor I could see them returning the favor by sending some of them our way. Who would be their leader? Can't be Durotan because he (and Grom) are too important to Draenor but I could see Thrall leading them especially since he is Durotan's son.
And we even know what their fancy transmog could be:
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The Horde has had too many Elves since TBC. More people should play the classic Horde races.
Me not that kind of Orc!
I wouldn't think so, no. The Orcs, Trolls, and Tauren are front and center for BfA - Saurfang got a pretty huge portrayal in the cinematic, and the only Forsaken or Elf depicted was Sylvanas (understandable as she's the current Warchief of the Horde). The primary action for the Horde is taking place on Zandalar featuring a pretty heavy Troll aesthetic - and the Forsaken themselves have lost their home and will have to relocate elsewhere. Of the allied races joining the Horde one is a new subset of Elves, but the other two are subsets of "classic" races in the form of Trolls and Tauren.
If anything, BfA promises to bring Orcs, Trolls, and Tauren back into definite prominence. The Blood Elves and Forsaken will certainly have a role, but I doubt it will be one that eclipses or even holds a candle to the more martial members of the Horde.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
thrall wasn't ok with it, but the main reason why he accepted sylv and later blood elf's into the horde because the Horde needed a foot-hold in EK, both have a chunk of territory's, safe and easily guarded " until the new expansion ", so even the horde didn't like them, but all need each other.
The topic of this thread is already pretty clear, they decided to use the horde again as the war starter and even if they come back with another old god corruption at the end (which per se is already crap given it's basically garrosh 2.05), nothing will change they could have used jaina or graymane for the same purpose but again used the horde.
So it's not automatic hate.
Did you watch the cinematic? I'm not sure that you did friend. Sylvanas is the Warchief of the Horde, her not being heavily involved in the story or expansion wouldn't make any sense but if you're asking where the other races are they're still heavily present especially the Orcs, Tauren, and Trolls as can be see in the cinematic and more than likely the expansion too. The Horde is still the Horde it hasn't changed much for me other then in Leadership, we're still the outcasts, we're still the misfits, we are still the Horde.
"Only Beasts are above deceit" - Rexxar
There are only groups of sentients, ultimately native to Azeroth, that ever had sprawling empires: Elves and Trolls.
The factions would be immeasurably benefitted, in terms of faction identity, if these two groups remained as separated from each other as possible.
Nightborne should go Alliance. Not because they have more in common with the Night Elves or High Elves or Void Elves, but because they're not Trolls.
Really, Trolls are just "savage Elves" anyways. They really should be massively important to the Horde.
Darkspear Trolls.
Amani Trolls.
Zandalari Trolls.
Drakkari Trolls.
You mean Elves are just "Malformed Trolls".
Also, having a different outlook on life and religion does not make you a savage.
At best, Night Elves would look savage to humans too. They live in a tree, they are not keen on using much technology, they are kind of fantaical about Elune...
This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.
Living in open-air huts in loose collectives, indulging in cannibalism, and generally being xenophobic and hostile are typically considered hallmarks of relative savagery. But like the Night Elves, the Trolls once had a glorious empire that spanned the known world and was cosmopolitan, rife with political intrigue, and thick with elaborate customs. The Night Elves chose a simpler lifestyle after the tumult of the War of the Ancients and the Sundering, and the Trolls lost their empire to the Night Elves and splintered into two main city-states, with the remainder of their people clustered into disparate tribes that backslid into primitive and uncultured savagery.
It's easy to forget what the ancient societies of both the Trolls and the Night Elves must've been like - but Suramar and Zandalar serve as reminders that while the bulk of the Kaldorei and the far-flung Troll tribes might be seen as naturalistic or primitive, their legacy is that of highly-advanced empires.
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"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead