Is Azshara really boss of 2nd raid?

[NotInTheFace0]

They did say Azshara would be in B4A, just not when IIRC

[3DTyrant]

If we get to kill her, good. Then people can stop having a mental wank over her!

[Schmilblick]

Being a boss doesn't mean she will die at the end of the encounter.

[Zarc]

Battle for azeroth is still ongoing even with the two factions in truce. It's part of the flexibility of the name they used. It's a battle for the planet, in every single way.

Well yes, obviously. That has nothing to do with my point.

Its already hinted that we will be making a truce or that something happened in the burning of the NE home that was misunderstood by the Alliance. It's extremely possible Sylvanas did NOT directly burn the tree, and that we were manipulated into going into war by Azshara by orders of N'zoth in some way.

You speculate on what will happen, okay, cool. Yes, I agree, that is likely how it will go down. Still nothing to do with the point made in my post to which you replied.

Again: Naga rising from the sea while we're at war with each other at the end of the expansion would've been a great excuse for ending the war, calling a truce, and preparing for the next big thing, leading into an expansion where Queen Azshara gets the Arthas-treatment with an expansion focused around her, with her face on the box. Not giving her that treatment is, in my opinion, a missed opportunity. That's a shame, because she is the last big iconic villain left that deserves, and could pull off, such an expansion theme.

There's no land northwest of the Maelstrom, that's where Nazjatar is located. They could have built a story where it is raised from the sea, expanded into a continent in it's own right, and where Queen Azshara would be featured heavily like Arthas was, where we get to explore her 10,000 year old history in detail and where we fight her Naga like we fought the Scourge. Instead they will feature her as a mere cogwheel, puzzle piece or pawn in the larger story of the Battle for Azeroth. They could include her Naga in the story of the Battle for Azeroth, as may be logical, but left her personally out, not giving her an underwhelming send-off, but rather use that opportunity not only as a piece of the Battle for Azeroth story but as the final part of a long, long build-up to our final confrontation with her. If Battle for Azeroth ends with us killing, or rather sealing off in some prison, N'Zoth that would make her story all the more epic. Her agenda would now be all about her own ambitions, no longer anyone's pawn, much like the Lich King once broke from the Burning Legion. Not doing this, again in my opinion, is a shame.

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Being a boss doesn't mean she will die at the end of the encounter.

True, let's hope not!

[huth]

@Soulwind, @huth and @Sails, just to be clear, I'm not against us losing, I actually want us to lose big time. It simply can't happen in raid because of gameplay reasons, but it could happen during separate one-time scenario/quest after the raid.

The problem is you're confusing beating the encounter with winning the fight. The two are not the same. There will always be a way to beat the encounter and get loot, but that doesn't automatically mean that we can actually defeat the boss. See Halls of Reflection.

It's perfectly possible for Blizzard to make an encounter that cannot storywise be won, but they won't make one where there is no way to beat it and get loot.

What you're talking about isn't losing, it's winning the wrong fight. And we already had quests like that. Drakuru is a big one.

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Being a boss doesn't mean she will die at the end of the encounter.

We don't even know what raid she will be the boss of. They only alluded to her being connected to what is happening in the second raid, they didn't say she will actually be there.

It's kinda obvious from circumstances that it will be a Naga raid.

[Deleted]

I can understand one key character being ressurected, but an entire raid of heroes? Why Kael'thas force didn't ressurect him? Why nobody ressurected Baine? Why not resurect Nazgrim after finishing Garrosh?

P.D: Care with Deus Ex Machina abilities...

lorewise ressurections are very rare and require alot of power or a special gift from say the light, ressing is more a game mechanic then lore.Oh and nazgrim got ressed, whitemane aswell, theyre dk followers in legion.

[Theoris]

Apparently so. Have to say, it would be pretty anticlimactic for one of the oldest remaining villains in WoW if we kill her in a faction war themed expansion. Seems pretty weak, honestly.

[Ningjinq]

Whatever “tier” you want to call it, Azshara is going to be in the 2nd raid of the xpac as they explicitly said that she would be following Uldir which in the vast majority of cases means next event.

[Florena]

Whatever “tier” you want to call it, Azshara is going to be in the 2nd raid of the xpac as they explicitly said that she would be following Uldir which in the vast majority of cases means next event.

They said before bfa is over not explicitly second raid.

[huth]

Whatever “tier” you want to call it, Azshara is going to be in the 2nd raid of the xpac as they explicitly said that she would be following Uldir which in the vast majority of cases means next event.

They didn't say that. They only said she will be in BfA and that the second raid will be related to a "dark threat from the seas".

[Marston]

I really am starting to believe that this could be the last xpac

I mean where can blizz really go from here? They have given us everything we expected more or less and now with Warcraft classic they are prolly setting the game up to be put out to pasture.

- Other worlds to introduce the Void Lords (ingame, not a single important character even knows they exist yet)
- Infinite Dragonflight Expansion (we fought Murozond, doesn't mean we can't have an expansion with him as the main antagonist, with all their timy whimy stuff)
- Kel'thuzad & Cult of the Damned Expansion (We have no idea where he is, they could tailor an expansion around him)
- Azjol'Nerub Expansion (have them unearth some more old god stuff that is still down there, have a revamped Northrend)
- Lich King 2.0 (Bolvar is definitly up to something)
- Return to the Elemental Planes (while we saw all 4 in Cata, only Deepholme had a whole zone, the others where only raids or dungeons)
- Return to the Emerald Dream (that void flower in the cave can be a story hook)
- The "Other side of Azeroth" (we still don't know where it exists or not)
- Depending on what new lore gets introduced, we could also do stuff with that
- Another whole world revamp with no clear cut enemy similar to Classic, yet updated after all those years, showing how the zones changed after the Cataclysm, MoP, WoD, Legion and now BfA have happened

All of those could of course also be combined, but each theme imo could serve as the main theme for a single expansion. There are many things Blizzard can still do. I mean, Blizzard at first planned that Garrosh would get a Mongrel Horde, consisting of Kobolds, Gnolls, Troggs, etc. If they had gone that route we would never have gotten WoD but instead something completely different, maybe even only on Azeroth. So who knows what they have planned next?

[iamthedevil]

It wasn't clear if she was the 2nd raid or the 2nd tier.

[Seramore]

It wasn't clear if she was the 2nd raid or the 2nd tier.

(spoiler: it's the same thing)

[iamthedevil]

(spoiler: it's the same thing)

ToV was the 2nd raid of the 1st tier......

[Redroniksre]

She was always due to be either a boss in a 2nd tier raid or a boss before N'zoth. She hasn't been important in a long time and she is a lackey in the end, first to Sargeras, now to N'zoth. Definitely not a expansion title boss though.

[Eazy]

She's overrated. She doesn't deserve esparate expansion. Kil'jaeden was better character than her.

[TheFirstOnes]

She's overrated. She doesn't deserve esparate expansion. Kil'jaeden was better character than her.

He was also a stronger Character than her.

So, doesn't that mean HE should be the final boss of Legion?

...Oh wait...

He isn't....

And Azshara's not going to be a Second Tier boss. I know Blizzard too well when it comes to situations such as this...

Azeroth will be corrupted, and we'll have to sacrifice our Necklace to cleanse her mind, and turn her back to our side once again.

Ya know? Similar to how we'll sacrifice our Artifacts to jail Sargeras (Which is, 100% likely the case).

[TemporalAnarchy]

She was always due to be either a boss in a 2nd tier raid or a boss before N'zoth. She hasn't been important in a long time and she is a lackey in the end, first to Sargeras, now to N'zoth. Definitely not a expansion title boss though.

Agreed. Unless N'zoth is getting his own expansion, Azshara won't be the end boss of BfA. She is to N'zoth what KJ is to Sargeras, more or less.

[TheFirstOnes]

She was always due to be either a boss in a 2nd tier raid or a boss before N'zoth. She hasn't been important in a long time and she is a lackey in the end, first to Sargeras, now to N'zoth. Definitely not a expansion title boss though.

Again, Battle for Azeroth means 2 things: The Black Empire, and the Alliance/Horde War. Think of this as a reverse Mists of Pandaria.

We START off with the Alliance/Horde conflict. Then, in the first 2 raids, we deal with Old God presences. However, we find out that N'zoth's prison was RIGHT there all along, so we team up for once, and we stop the God of the Depths. However, at the end of the day, we were too late. N'zoth has corrupted Azeroth, and we will have to journey to the Back Side of our World to enter Azeroth's Domain. There, we fight Void beings, chaotic monsters, and shit. All of which would lead up to our battle against our very own Titan.

Calling that shit right now.

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Agreed. Unless N'zoth is getting his own expansion, Azshara won't be the end boss of BfA. She is to N'zoth what KJ is to Sargeras, more or less.

More like she's the Gul'dan to Kil'jaeden. N'zoth's still a Pawn of the Void Lords, at the end of the day. Think of Azeroth as the Argus of the Void. Tormented, Corrupted, Void Driven, and shit. It's perfect.

[Jastall]

I'm not sure how that's so shocking. We've killed beings like Old Gods, Demon lords and Elemental Lords as first or second tier raid bosses, beings that were all at least as formidable as Azshara is, and at least as much if not more lore surrounding them. So it's not like killing her would be out of place, albeit I do think she deserves her own themed patch at least, like Lei Shen had.