goodbye to useless pvp woot!!!!!! Dear Gankers, One-Shotters, and Tanks

[Deleted]

Someone care to explain why pvpers are crying over this new toggle-pvp-option?

The only difference it will make is that you can no longer gank low levels or half HP questing ppl not expecting a doomrogue locking em to death. The people who enjoy world pvp will have to face of vs like-minded people and will no longer, atleast not as much, be able to faceroll non-expecting non-pvp-interested players. To me it seems like your crying because your handicap is taken away and you actually have to play wPvp on equal terms now.

Please correct me if im wrong.

[plz delete account]

TL;DR: Op isn't smart enough to figure out that if he doesn't flag he won't get killed.

On PvP servers you get autoflagged in contested and hostile territory.

[Frumpy Frumpy Frak]

Why is it people roll on a PVP server and then complain about what happens there?

I don't know about everyone other region, but in Oceania, the only realm with a decent number of competent raid guilds is on a PvP server.

I'm glad that I can now transfer there and not worry about getting ganked by someone with self esteem issues.

[Sergar]

Credentials here: Played on a PVP server (Twisting Nether US) from WotLK through Pandaria. Also played on Emerald Dream US for Legion, mostly during 7-7.1

Originally started on a PVP server because I thought I knew some people on it (they had since stopped playing). Ended up joining a social guild and making some friends, so I stuck around.

During Wrath, I mostly played my DK, and PvP'd a fair amount in BGs, so I had a fair amount of resilience gear I could wear to do dailies. I rarely ganked, because it was pointless and a waste of time but I did WG pretty frequently. Being ganked usually fell into one of two categories:

1) Dick ass solo rogue/cat I generally stomped (not claiming to be good, resilience and pre-nerf Blood Strike made it hard for rogues to win 1v1)
2) An entire group of people doing dailies that I had to let have the entire quest area

As for memorable WPVP stories I can only think of 2, one being me doing the Timbermaw ambassador grind and being ganked by a warrior and paladin in (awful) PVP gear twice and destroying them both times, and the other being some dicks killing me while I was leveling in Ungoro Crater doing the absolutely painful escort quest from the middle of the map to the north quest hub which lead to me bringing in my druid to corpse camp them when they tried to do it which lead to both of us bringing in guild groups.

Other then that, the entire horde side of the server hated this guy for the fairly serious reason of him typhooning people off their mounts when they left Dalaran and abusing all sorts of mechanics in WPVP and WG but I can't say that it was really "interesting," any moderately skilled NE druid with engineering could have specialized in being that big of a jackass if they had wanted to.

During Cata, WPVP died when everyone had easy access to flight and there was very little reason to leave Org except to go to Tol Barad. Tol Barad WPVP happened but it just fell into solo gankers and groups of gankers doing dailies. Completely forgettable.

MoP WPVP was pretty forgettable too, but I'm told by a friend that there was a lot of it of when any given content patch was fresh. IIRC this is when Twisting Nether became a ghost town and the server merges started though. I leveled a few characters to max level but mostly avoided the non-first patch Pandaria content.

WoD and Legion TN is completely dead and so is WPVP.

On Emerald Dream (where most of Twisting Nether wound up eventually) there were a lot of people ganking, mostly in small groups. Of course, it was Legion so WPVP was completely and absolutely imbalanced. To deal with people starting shit I ended up doing most of my WQs in Bear with 4 set order hall on. This was basically so that if people were desperate enough to PVP a bear doing WQs alone, I would make it as painful and as drawn out an experience for everyone as possible. I don't think I ever got ganked by the same person/group twice.

Anyway my opinion is that WPVP being anything other then random ganks depends on people actually having a culture on their server AND a good balance of horde to alliance AND having a decent population. Near as I can tell there aren't any servers left that meet all three of those criteria and most of the people are either nostalgia'n about past times where WPVP actually happened or are just gankers that like to one shot macro people in 820ilvl gear on their 940s. WPVP has been dead for a long time.

[kasuke06]

oh no. PvE tryhards won't be able to freely attack me, then claim I ganked them when they lose. You'd be surprised how often people will sit with PvE tags until they see a guy who doesn't look like he's paying attention while flagged.

[MagusHenosis]

Dear Gankers, One-Shotters, and Tanks!

Next expansion is going to be just swell. PvP servers are going to disappear and PvP will have to be toggled on. What does this mean for you? You're going to be lumped onto a CRZ shard with like minded gankers, one-shotters, and tanks. And while you're suffering, like players are now in Wpvp because of you, we'll all be laughing and going on with our days. Hey, PvP happened - you toggled it on, not us.

Don't worry though, the community will stand up and fight for you though, right? Nope. Remember every time you tried to derail our posts for change when we got one shot by you? We're going to return the favor 10x over. Enjoy being locked in a purgatory of other toxic players. Eventually you'll get tired of dying and flip off PvP. The pool of players using that feature will get bored and move on, and the game will go on without you. You will not be missed, and your subscription fee will not be missed. A decent person will replace you and the game will be just fine. Because hey, PvE happened stop complaining about it.

With love,

This thread is so hateful it’s absurd.

And you are calling others toxic???

Ironic much there???

I LOVE PvP OK, and especially WPvP, and I have news for you, I am not toxic at all.

You are trying to make a logical connection where none exists.

The problem with the community isn’t WPvP, but instead one of hate.

If you want to see a hateful person, then just look in the mirror there, since what is the point of this thread after all???

To hate???

But you say with love lol???

How truly ironic indeed.

If only what you said and thought was what mattered.....

[Sting]

Atm, most people on pvp servers don't really fight anyway since they just want to get their world quest done and move on to the next one. I doubt that'll change much come BFA. The reward will be enough for a lot of people to still get "lured out" into the open world with their pvp enabled but with absolutely no intention to actually pvp. They're gaming the system and I think that's going to be a large majority of the people you'll find in the pvp shards.

[Merryck]

"...and PvP will have to be toggled on."

Surely that means you have to toggle it on to partake in pvp, so if you've got it turned off, it'll make sod all difference to you if you don't want to.

You get rewards for having it toggled on - what those rewards are? nobody knows. I think ion mentioned it would be xp gained increase and other stuff.

[Swiftshadow]

to all e lowbie gankers/FP campers/strengthinnumbers/gankmebutrunawaywhenichangetotankspec WPvPers :

YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS.

[Molvonos]

Atm, most people on pvp servers don't really fight anyway since they just want to get their world quest done and move on to the next one. I doubt that'll change much come BFA. The reward will be enough for a lot of people to still get "lured out" into the open world with their pvp enabled but with absolutely no intention to actually pvp. They're gaming the system and I think that's going to be a large majority of the people you'll find in the pvp shards.

The problem with gaming the system like that is that actual pvpers will prey on them and make their questing a living hell.

I'm not on a PvP server, but since I play a veng. DH, when I go through my wpvp quests, I just let my flag decay naturally and continue on my way.

Most times I'm left alone, but when someone with more skill or know how of PvP stomps my ass In to the earth (subtlety rogues massacred me).

I kinda expect it.

But there are plenty who don't and get severely butthurt when they're camped to hell. Their bitching in general always amuses me.

[Deleted]

For me this was the last nail in the coffin. The last straw.
Goodbye retail forever. Hello Classic servers forever.

one less ganker no1 is gonna miss

[endersblade]

Why is it people roll on a PVP server and then complain about what happens there?

Why do people roll on a PvP server with the express intent on ganking lowbies? That isn't PvP.

[bloodrunner]

You should be flagged PvP when you get the quest and stay flagged until you drop it or turn it in. None of this switching mid-stream, either do the quest or no, your choice.

[vipers]

I think you got the thread all wrong.

He/She is making fun of world PvP'ers because "we" can no longer kill her ever.

and no more idiots ganking and camping low level ppl who try to level up

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Plenty of people interested in PvP, I think there will be a fair deal of players.

Really? Because in the last 6-7 years of playing on PvP servers, I've seen bugger all "PvP". I've seen a lot of gankers (ohh sooo many people seem to like camping portal spawn points like Karazhan and killing players before their loading screens finish), or groups of level 110s camping out in Thrallmar to prevent players from starting levelling in TBC. But actual PvP fights, between characters of equivalent power level? No, not really. In my experience, the vast majority of people fighting other players seem to just want to kill newbies and players that cannot even remotely compete in terms of character power.

At expansion launch when you have bottle-necks which forced both factions together (This was particularly noticeable in Cataclysm, for example), I saw Alliance and Horde playing alongside each other in Hyjal and that under-sea zone, not fighting each other on PvP servers! I'm guessing the drive to be done with questing and the inconvenience of a half hour battle for a quest node quashed any desire to fight the other faction.

I think that the amount of players that actually flag themselves for PvP will be rather small. What I'm thinking of doing is waiting a few weeks for all of the wannabes who just want to gank to get bored of not finding anybody, and then flag myself for PvP.

[zmp]

Next up: "Blizzard, give us open world RP'ers the option not to be ganked/killed by monsters"

[Deleted]

Just saying this just really comes off as I regret rolling on a pvp server and am to cheap to transfer.
excuse me gonna to apply for a job at a nursery and spend the rest of my life complaining about how i hate kids.

[Peebuddy]

A lot of old time members can relate when I say I only rolled onto a pvp server because of the horrendous lag problems with blizzards pve servers. This was WAY back before realms, you had your server and only saw and interact with those on that server, which meant pve servers were terribly overpopulated and if you were trying to progress on bosses you either dealt with 4-5 second lag spikes or rolled to a less populated server usually pvp.

One of the reasons most pvp servers are so widely unbalanced is because of all the pve guilds transfering to them who didn't really want to pvp, so they roll on a Horde server or an Alliance server to minimize confrontation.

Then when blizzard eventually fixed their server problems your guild had to decide if it was worth paying well over $1,000 to transfer, more often than not being on a imbalanced server was basically a pve server so why bother.

[Deleted]

realistically talking there's no problem with pvp servers.
the problem is you. you come into a rule set fully aware of what it means and just kind of change.org it up, in an attempt to avoid the rules of the world you signed up for.
There being lag on PVE servers isn't an excuse that makes you seem less of a child, if anything it makes you look worse. not only did you know it was a pvp server and knew dying to players would be part of it, you forced yourself into a place you didn't want to be for self serving reasons, possibly denying people who like PVP servers the chance to play if the server pop changed to full.

The gankers aren't the problem you and your "i'm going to move to low pop server because lag attitude are".

Frankly I like pvp servers because there's a threat in the world. PVE servers are boring a hell and I'm tired of having to deal with massive spike in lag at the start of patches because of PVE players mass migration. And i'll think you're find with the exception of stealth classes the majority of the time that you get camped is because you did something, maybe you stole their quest mobs,nodes maybe you aggro-ed everything on the area on to them. or far more likely you thought it was a good idea to kill their 101 alt on your hc gear food item and love you some cheeky hypocrisy. because PVP servers are based on don't get mad get even.

In the immortal words of Tyler1, "Why u gotta be mad, it's just a game".

[Jaransan]

Mark my words and quote me on that.
"It will be just like a PvE server"

Carebear Blizzard in action.
This decision only makes me see Blizzard ruining the game the more the years pass.

Classic servers are my home. Retail is ruined (for me). This was the last straw.
Everything i loved about WoW is in Classic (i hope...if they dont mess this up also)

I simply dont care and i wont whine in the forums ever...as long as i have a home in Classic.

You are making the very specific assumption that there will be more than *one* classic server, and that said server will be a pvp server. Not that thats impossible. Im just pointing out the flaw in your promised land.