The Horde in BFA

[plz delete account]

Is going to be an absolute fucking joke.

[plz delete account]

How do you figure? They've burned down Teldrassil and the first battlefront is in the Eastern Kingdoms, along with all of Quel'thalas being horde territory and probably for the duration of the expansion.

*The first battlefront being Capital City in EK

[AlmightyGerkin]

Is going to be an absolute fucking joke.

Hmm seems we got a time traveler here. Share the technology with us so we can play BFA.

[plz delete account]

There is no Alliance presence in Kalimdor, and the northern half of EK is contested with the Horde. Sacking Undercity is like kicking a pile of dogshit, you just end up with a shoe smeared in shit. The Horde position is strong. The Alliance position is weak. Undercity was hardly a fortress. it was a fucking sewer. Stromgarde = loljoke. And if you're expecting the cdevs to give the Alliance anything other than tit for tat throughout this expansion you're mistaken.

Draenei + LF will still be in Kalimdor.
The Nelves will still own like eight zones in Kalimdor, too.

[Kelthos]

No idea if it is true or not, but I heard there are plans for a Warfront in Ashenvale.

[A Dark Knight]

thanks for the update.

[ello]

i think the at the start of the expansion the Horde will have the advantage becasue they stole all this azerite stuff from Teldrassil, but halfway through the alliance somehow turns the tides. Probably because the Horde turned on Sylvanas, thus we get a new battlefront in Kalimdor, alliance reclaim ashenvale, siege of wherever sylvanas is hiding and at the end Anduin agrees to give the Desolate Council Undercity back "but if you screw up again i will totes end you forreal this time."

There is no Alliance presence in Kalimdor, and the northern half of EK is contested with the Horde. Sacking Undercity is like kicking a pile of dogshit, you just end up with a shoe smeared in shit. The Horde position is strong. The Alliance position is weak. Undercity was hardly a fortress. it was a fucking sewer. Stromgarde = loljoke. And if you're expecting the cdevs to give the Alliance anything other than tit for tat throughout this expansion you're mistaken.

Alliance still has presence in azuremyst isle

Also, the devs said "the Horde has already lost their most defensible position in EK"

[Kiri]

There is no Alliance presence in Kalimdor, and the northern half of EK is contested with the Horde. Sacking Undercity is like kicking a pile of dogshit, you just end up with a shoe smeared in shit. The Horde position is strong. The Alliance position is weak. Undercity was hardly a fortress. it was a fucking sewer. Stromgarde = loljoke. And if you're expecting the cdevs to give the Alliance anything other than tit for tat throughout this expansion you're mistaken.

The Undercity is a sewer, yes. Lordaeron though, isn't really. In the cinematic you can clearly see that at least defensive installations are in place, along with a great many defenders. People should stop talking it down already, the Undercity is one of the strongest defensive positions in the Easter Kingdoms. All the defenses of a normal capital fortress, but with another underground layer that can be defended even more easily. It is not just a sewer, really.

[darque56]

It's strong because it's a sewer. The outer fortifications aren't all that impressive. Silvermoon is far better defended. So is Gilneas for that matter. The underground portion of it is probably why it will not actually be taken, merely sacked. Again, not because it's so amazingly dangerous but because a siege against things that need no food nor water is a siege the mortal attackers simply can't win.

To be fair, along with Ironforge, UC is one of the best defended cities....It may be a sewer but the castle above is huge yes....but the only way into UC itself is a couple of elevators and a drain pipe....pretty good pinchpoint to defend....

darque

[bufferunderrun]

Is going to be an absolute fucking joke.

everything boil down to one question, is blizzard going to broke faction balance?

if yes then we will see a completely shambled horde with Thrall going to rebuild it again

If no we will experience a sort of siege of orgrimmar 2.0 with sylvanas as the main boss probably her last resort in the quest to keep forsaken alive is pledging affiliation to Azshara and N'zoth, the horde players in a sort of resistance (leaded by thrall) and the remnant forsaken lead by that desolate council.

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To be fair, along with Ironforge, UC is one of the best defended cities....It may be a sewer but the castle above is huge yes....but the only way into UC itself is a couple of elevators and a drain pipe....pretty good pinchpoint to defend....

darque

it's isolated and supply line has to pass alliance controlled zones, alliance has air superiority and naval superiority and better tech, help from quel'thalas has to pass 3 zones 1 the ghostland hostile full of undead and 2 controlled by paladins; from south there are no big horde hub, hammerfall has always be neglected, new kargath is isolated and the rest has a long way to go to reach undercity.

Yes the city itself is a nightmare but without supply there is no way it last, much like teldrassil that is miles away from the alliance bulk forces.

[Joti]

No capitals = no presence. That's the point.

We invade places all the time in this game being supplied by portals. We've invaded other planets and been invaded by other planets via portal. Neither alliance nor horde needs a capital city to gain a foothold in enemy territory, they just need mages to open portals and men to build garrisons just like we did in WoD.

[Belisaurio]

everything boil down to one question, is blizzard going to broke faction balance?

if yes then we will see a completely shambled horde with Thrall going to rebuild it again

If no we will experience a sort of siege of orgrimmar 2.0 with sylvanas as the main boss probably her last resort in the quest to keep forsaken alive is pledging affiliation to Azshara and N'zoth, the horde players in a sort of resistance (leaded by thrall) and the remnant forsaken lead by that desolate council.

Counter argument: Nop. Sylvanas will have 100%support from Horde because <reasons from the new book>, so even if Blizzard want to stay in the permanent Status Quo, Sylvanas will stay in the same rank: Warchief of the Horde.

[Rhlor]

There is no Alliance presence in Kalimdor, and the northern half of EK is contested with the Horde. Sacking Undercity is like kicking a pile of dogshit, you just end up with a shoe smeared in shit. The Horde position is strong. The Alliance position is weak. Undercity was hardly a fortress. it was a fucking sewer. Stromgarde = loljoke. And if you're expecting the cdevs to give the Alliance anything other than tit for tat throughout this expansion you're mistaken.

exodar is alliance

[plz delete account]

No capitals = no presence. That's the point.

Don't need capitals to have presence.
When you still have control of eight zones on a continent where your only remaining capital on that side of the planet is a crashed ship on an island, you're definitely still going to have presence in those eight zones.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The alliance falls back to Arathi for a more defensible position. This either means the Forsaken must have done something to push them back, or Quel'thalas has a very, very strong military now that was such a threat that they didn't consider UC defensible.

[bufferunderrun]

Counter argument: Nop. Sylvanas will have 100%support from Horde because <reasons from the new book>, so even if Blizzard want to stay in the permanent Status Quo, Sylvanas will stay in the same rank: Warchief of the Horde.

well it must be a really good reason to convince someone like Baine or Saurfang to support teldrassil burning unless blizzard decide to just force them to accept it without a real reason behind.

[Belisaurio]

well it must be a really good reason to convince someone like Baine or Saurfang to support teldrassil burning unless blizzard decide to just force them to accept it without a real reason behind.

Wow, there are alot of points that can't go wrong with your theory:
-Sylvanas not being the one burning Teldrassil.
-Horde agreeing that Teldrassil must be burned because <reasons>.
-Alliance doing <something> and Horde burns Teldrassil to counter <something>.
-The council that tries to take down Sylvanas (read the prologue of the new book) is the main threat and it tries to incriminate Sylvanas burning Teldrassil.
-Because N.Elfs have banned smoking in Teldrassil, so some people went mad, and someone burned Teldrassil by accident. (/joke Off).
-Etc... (can continue writing random arguments, but without knowing what will happen, it's a bit pointless. But you get the point).

[Zuben]

Blood elves got blood golem tech from Isle of Thunder and it was supposed to be so badass compared to conventional arcane constructs, but so far they haven't been that impressive. Would be nice if BfA finally showed their true potential now that Silvermoon is the last Horde bastion in EK.

[Syegfryed]

the horde is already a joke in Legion, nothing will change