Upcoming World PvP Changes, Dev Q&A Thursday

[Onikaroshi]

Well it's good that the devs are trying to do something... the rogue shoulders should be included in nerf list.

Shoulders aren't what's wrecking you though, its the SS cloak, shoulders just provide 100% crit for a short time, that can happen without them.

[judgementofantonidas]

IMO balancing items that some have been lucky to obtain punishes them for having those items more than balances world PVP. The only thing I enjoyed about Non instanced PVP this expansion was not being artificially limited.

[mava]

On my rogue I do retaliatory pvp when I can on Argus. Shroud of Arcane Echoes and my shoulders are enough to global tanks even without the cape. But I look forward to DKs being unable to counter me!

[Baracuda]

I equate people who think world pvp (ganking) is worthwhile to people who think it's a good idea to breed pit bull puppies.

Do you generalize everything or is it just world PvP?

[Logwyn]

IMO balancing items that some have been lucky to obtain punishes them for having those items more than balances world PVP. The only thing I enjoyed about Non instanced PVP this expansion was not being artificially limited.

So you enjoy being able to PvP with people and kill them not based on skill alone but on if the RNG gods are good to you?


Seriously to "balance" PvP if you cap the damage output you have a base line for where you can balance PvP and tank PvP.

[Baracuda]

Do you generalize my generalizing?

Hurts donut? Anyway all world PvP isn't ganking.

[judgementofantonidas]

So you enjoy being able to PvP with people and kill them not based on skill alone but on if the RNG gods are good to you?


Seriously to "balance" PvP if you cap the damage output you have a base line for where you can balance PvP and tank PvP.

WORLD PVP should have ZERO time spent on making it balanced. Some times you are the baddest fish in the pond, some times you are just a minnow. Balance is why there is instanced pvp. For those try hards that feel they need to prove how "skilled" they are at jumping around in circles.

[huldu]

how about you enforce wpvp in the specified wq areas murloc freedom is just ppl flying around looking for naga to kill, brakeneck brawl isn't bad there's usually wpvp going on there

And how exactly would you enforce pvp on a world quest? It's a chore and making drastic changes to it means it's going to take even longer to finish(hence the mobs to kill). Imagine being there just waiting 10+ minutes for a player to come by and then you expect that player to come back and die to you over over again? Come on dude, you can't be that naive to think that is a "solution". This game is so unbalanced when it comes to PvP it ain't even fun. You're either demolishing your opponent or getting destroyed yourself, there is barely anything in between.

[Kaver]

I love that some people want Blizzard to let classes remain broken so they can one shot other players... must be the same kind of people who use aimbot in Counter Strike :P

[infinit]

good start but rogues still need a massive flat damage reduction or the shoulders and i believe a follower needs to be disabled when in combat with players.

[Baracuda]

WORLD PVP should have ZERO time spent on making it balanced. Some times you are the baddest fish in the pond, some times you are just a minnow. Balance is why there is instanced pvp. For those try hards that feel they need to prove how "skilled" they are at jumping around in circles.

Says who, you? It's not even hard, just many butthurt raiders that need a huge numerical advantage to even bother.

People would cry too much if this happened now but next expansion they need to go back to legendaries simply not functioning in PvP, they have high stats, that's enough.

[Mhyroth]

I love that some people want Blizzard to let classes remain broken so they can one shot other players... must be the same kind of people who use aimbot in Counter Strike :P

It's those people who run away once they get a challenge because they can't handle it. (usually 12year olds)

[ThatsOurEric]

Although I'm glad they're FINALLY taking some steps to balancing this, in a sense, doesn't this further prove how
ineffective a concept World PVP is?

There are several different ways to pvp in zones already (Random, Arena, Rated BGs, Rated Arena) and they are
a great deal more balanced (not perfectly mind you, some classes are still bullshit) but you have a significantly
better chance of dealing with other players then some schmuck who jumps down in full 950 ilvl gear with the
best legendaries for their spec and just hits you once for several million times your health.

That right there, doesn't encourage world pvp. You want to balance it, you need to make the fighting fair. I
don't want to fight people I have a 0% chance of beating. You tell me I have a 50%, the least being a 45%
chance? Now you have my attention.

[zrankfappa]

World PVP fixes (cost us a raid tier): so people can kill quest givers and gank AFK'ers at FP's easier!

[Deleted]

Although I'm glad they're FINALLY taking some steps to balancing this, in a sense, doesn't this further prove how
ineffective a concept World PVP is?

There are several different ways to pvp in zones already (Random, Arena, Rated BGs, Rated Arena) and they are
a great deal more balanced (not perfectly mind you, some classes are still bullshit) but you have a significantly
better chance of dealing with other players then some schmuck who jumps down in full 950 ilvl gear with the
best legendaries for their spec and just hits you once for several million times your health.

That right there, doesn't encourage world pvp. You want to balance it, you need to make the fighting fair. I
don't want to fight people I have a 0% chance of beating. You tell me I have a 50%, the least being a 45%
chance? Now you have my attention.

You sound like a whining chimp who lies to itself that every player who kills it is probably a 950 (lol) guy with the best legendaries so the chimp doesnt feel bad about being trash at the game. You are the kind of people who will never enable PvP in BfA no matter how balanced it is. What the chimps want is having the same ammount of stats and shit with their shit gear as someone with high-end. Thats retarded of course and they misunderstand what Blizzard wants with this change which is good geared players not being able to oneshot other good geared people.

[Grogplus]

Good news! First of all I'am glad that they're actually taking some steps towards fixing world pvp (which makes me believe that pvp toggle in BfA isn't just a way to get rid of world pvp entirely) Then there is this: "While we want to maintain the “anything goes” nature of world PvP in Legion, we do want you to have at least some chance to retaliate, even when caught by surprise." which is total BS, you should read it like: "We know that right now world pvp is a total garbage but it's sorta too late to actually fix it, the best we can do is this quick and cheap change so it's at least somewhat acceptable" I'am not mad, I just hope it'll get better in the future.

[ThatsOurEric]

You sound like a whining chimp who lies to itself that every player who kills it is probably a 950 (lol) guy with the best legendaries so the chimp doesnt feel bad about being trash at the game.

And you sound like an elitist, immature child who cannot disagree with someone like an adult, but instead,
act like the "kind of player" who people actively avoid playing with.

You are the kind of people who will never enable PvP in BfA no matter how balanced it is. What the chimps want is having the same ammount of stats and shit with their shit gear as someone with high-end. Thats retarded of course and they misunderstand what Blizzard wants with this change which is good geared players not being able to oneshot other good geared people.

For someone who throws insults around so much, especially the word "chimp", your reasoning at the end is
unsurprisingly rather "less than human-evolution" (i.e. Chimp-like).

"Good geared" players are not the only ones getting one-shot. Most people do the towers and other pvp
dailies because they're easy pvp exp that they can do without necessarily being forced to pvp with people.

Its just another option. Which there's nothing wrong with. However, it is very hard to go about completing
those towers and battles without getting smacked over the head and instantly killed, especially if you're
a fresh lvl 110, or hell, even with an ilvl of over 900 and still getting destroyed by certain classes and
their legendaries? Since not every legendary is even close to being the same in buffing abilities and the
damage they do, its quite unfair. I mean ffs, a Guardian Druid with the right legendaries could take a
whole ten man and not die. That's horribly unbalanced. Its doesn't take a "chimp" to figure that out.

[Easo]

Yeahhhh some people can't get over the fact that oneshotting someone without him having any chance at all is not fun nor is it balanced.

[Deleted]

How did it take this long to see those were problematic?

Players weren't as overgeared as nowadays so this change wasn't necessary earlier.
As a warrior tank with ilvl 930+ I can easily nuke 2-3 damage dealers at once which wasn't possible with Nighthold gear.

[Logwyn]

WORLD PVP should have ZERO time spent on making it balanced. Some times you are the baddest fish in the pond, some times you are just a minnow. Balance is why there is instanced pvp. For those try hards that feel they need to prove how "skilled" they are at jumping around in circles.

Yup proved me point! Thanks!