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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    It's just a pity it didn't happen until after he'd killed 20+ people within a couple of minutes. But you know, silver lining and everything.



    Don't be silly. Drones and armoured tanks can easily be taken out by a couple of well placed ar-15 bullets
    Asymmetrical warfare is a thing.

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    Oh look, typical MMO-Champion retards slinging the "alt-right" accusation to derail the thread.


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  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Stickybuds79 View Post
    Prevention is better than cure.
    He was in violation of the law by owning a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahovv View Post
    Oh look, typical MMO-Champion retards slinging the "alt-right" accusation to derail the thread.
    It's pos , don't bother caring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Asymmetrical warfare is a thing.
    So is delusion.

    You are talking about fighting a government that could literally turn their citizen's lives upside down with a flip of a switch if they went full on opression. The war between your government and its people would be nothing like flying off to eastern kekistan where people are living in shitholes in the middle of nowhere.

    If the United States Government were to turn on its people, there are three things that would happen: The grid would go down, the water would turn off, the gas would be out.
    Now, it's fine if you have a generator, a river, and some trees near by. But you are still very much going to be in the governments hands. It isn't a foreign country to them in this situation, and no amount of running and hiding would be able to stop a truly tyrannical government on its own soil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    It's just a pity it didn't happen until after he'd killed 20+ people within a couple of minutes. But you know, silver lining and everything.

    He may have killed more if the armed citizen did not intervene is also a logical belief. Speculative I know. But it is also speculation to say he would not have. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxicrusader View Post
    But if one of the victims were armed, this could be avoided.

    Cause you know, the solution for the gun problem is always more guns.
    Actually school security in action with the lock down initiated by the police saved who knows how many lives. He was unable to enter the school building. And the gunman was stopped ( killed ) by a armed police officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    You dont know the out come anymore then i do as what would have happened here if this man didn't have access to a gun. To claim you do is insanity.
    Logical thinking is insanity now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Logical thinking is insanity now.
    Its is not logical to claim to know the unknowable.
    "It doesn't matter if you believe me or not but common sense doesn't really work here. You're mad, I'm mad. We're all MAD here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Its is not logical to claim to know the unknowable.
    The fact that guns are more effective at killing than knives or other means is "unknowable".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    The fact that guns are more effective at killing than knives or other means is "unknowable".
    Of course. Which is why I rather have a firearm to defend myself than a knife.

    Myself, looking at this tragic case, schools need to have better security. This school had a good system to protect the kids inside the school providing there is early enough warning to do a lock-down. There needs to be a more secure entrance at schools in addition I think. Most of these scums pick soft targets on purpose.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Allybeboba View Post
    Looks like I am going to have to be on the look out for stabbing sprees in Europe now so I can post about them every day. Wasn’t there one not too long ago in Germany? And another one in France? And another one in Finland? And another one in Germany? And another one in England? And another one...

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    How is it safe in Europe when people are going around stabbing people?
    That's not even answering my question, just trying to evade having to answer something you know will prove my point. You don't even have less stabbings than us.

    Actually our crime rate is significantly lower than yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornfreak View Post
    No, i don't.Criminals can get a hold of a weapon without it being legal.Ever heard a little thing called a black market?
    Guns on the black marked comes from.... Drumroll.. Lawabiding citizens.
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  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Allybeboba View Post
    I have question for you. When was the last stabbing in your country? Have people protested to have knives regulated?
    People are going to kill other people regardless of whether they have access to a firearm or not.
    Last one that got reported (that I can remember of) was months ago and the guy who got stabbed survived with non-fatal injuries. And we kinda is at a place where we cannot regulate knives more without screwing ourselves over due to loss of utility. You can only carry knives which are too short to stab people in the heart in public which aren't in packaging, and those knives still need duller edges. You cannot have knives inside the trunk of your car unless it is in packaging or without good reason (for mushroom gathering for instance) and when carrying knives in public they always have to be kept in a way so you cannot just pull one out and stab someone.

    Yes, people are going to kill people because people are assholes, but when was the last time you heard of a mass stabbing where a single guy stabbed 5 people to death and injured around a dozen more?

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Well that's how the last one ended, an armed civilian.
    The last one... So far, how much is the score? Armed civilians vs shooters? Glad they could at least make one point that time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Actually school security in action with the lock down initiated by the police saved who knows how many lives. He was unable to enter the school building. And the gunman was stopped ( killed ) by a armed police officer.
    Security? Police officers? Man, I'm all about them having guns. Civilians getting bump stocks in a box of Cheerios and AR 15s at every corner shop, on the other hand...

  13. #193
    News of the shooting comes just weeks after 26 people, including many children, were killed in a mass shooting at a church in Texas.
    Lines like this make no sense to me... it makes it sound as though the locations are nearby and not almost two thousand miles apart. You could put the distance between London and Italy between the two locations and have room to spare.

  14. #194
    As a strong supporter of gun rights, I have to recognize one clear thing... this is what I want to happen. I don't think it's the government's business who owns a firearm, or what firearms they do own. I support the proliferation of firearms in this country, which means one thing. These shootings are not only a statistical inevitability, but are also going to be far more prevalent. It's an understood consequence of the world I want to live in. I have weighed the pros and cons, and decided I'm fine with it. Yes, I made my choice, and I want this to happen.

    Any 2A supporter who tells you otherwise is lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    As a strong supporter of gun rights, I have to recognize one clear thing... this is what I want to happen. I don't think it's the government's business who owns a firearm, or what firearms they do own. I support the proliferation of firearms in this country, which means one thing. These shootings are not only a statistical inevitability, but are also going to be far more prevalent. It's an understood consequence of the world I want to live in. I have weighed the pros and cons, and decided I'm fine with it. Yes, I made my choice, and I want this to happen.

    Any 2A supporter who tells you otherwise is lying.
    It's why your ideology will never be prevalent amount the masses. It's why your ideology is losing, and will continue to lose. Your desire for violence probably makes you a sociopath at best, a psychopath at worst. And I do mean that actual clinical definition.

    In your world, everyone that wants a nuclear weapon has one. In your world, chaos reigns supreme. In your world, there are no computers, no businesses, no structure. We're literally cavemen.

    But shit. At least we got pure, unadulterated FREEDOM!
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  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    See this is the typical deflection tactics and why nothing will change
    Why SHOULD it change? He could of killed 3 people with a wood axe, a car, a machete, are we going to ban all of those? USA isn't going to ban guns, and if they ever do try, we will use our guns to stop it, thats why we have guns, to defend our rights and stop tyranny. Everyone in the military and most police are pro guns. Why do you care anyway? Let us shoot each other without Europe's nose in our business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    It's why your ideology will never be prevalent amount the masses. It's why your ideology is losing, and will continue to lose. Your desire for violence probably makes you a sociopath at best, a psychopath at worst. And I do mean that actual clinical definition.

    In your world, everyone that wants a nuclear weapon has one. In your world, chaos reigns supreme. In your world, there are no computers, no businesses, no structure. We're literally cavemen.

    But shit. At least we got pure, unadulterated FREEDOM!
    TIL self-defense is a pathological ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    TIL self-defense is a pathological ideology.
    The person I responded to said that they want mass shootings to happen.

    Perhaps try reading before you comment.
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    If only there existed a country that had similar issues to America and decided to outlaw guns and everything changed so we could know if it would work or not.. Oh wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    The person I responded to said that they want mass shootings to happen.

    Perhaps try reading before you comment.
    I did read it. The difference is I'm not so thick to not understand what his point was.
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