Tier Sets in BfA, Developer Interviews, Hotfixes Nov 14, Blue Posts, Lineage 2

[Hyral]

I was so utterly hyped for BfA since it's announcement but since then the more news they release about it the more I lose interest...

[getupkid55]

I don’t understand how anyone can think this is not a good change.

Having half your gear locked down for 6 months because of artifacts, legendaries, and tier in a world with Titan forging was so dumb.

How does it kill raiding? How many people raid just to get tier bonuses? Most people can get 4pc within 4-5 weeks anyway do you all just quit after that? There’s obviously many other reasons people raid. There will still be the heart of Azeroth gear (that doesn’t titanforge, so mythic raids will always be the best), trinkets, and I imagine many other best in slot stuff. Not to mention... *gasp*.. the fun of it.

Transmog? They are obviously going to keep cosmetic class sets going. You honestly think they would just ditch that for entire pvp seasons and raid tiers?

Solid change Blizz. Now getting an upgrade will actually be getting an upgrade.

[Kathranis]

Honestly, 21 tier sets in, I'm finding that the class-themed designs of sets are getting kind of old.

I'm sure that they'll still be doing sets for each class, but I wouldn't mind taking a break from class-themed armor for some more variety. It would be nice to get some race-themed armor for each armor type, there are a lot of race/class combinations that don't have any armor to reflect their unique identity. Typically the only time we've gotten any sort of racial armor is when we're fighting enemies of the same race (blood elf themed gear in Sunwell, troll themed gear in ZA, etc.)

I know they said we'll be getting Horde/Alliance themed armor, but so far from what they've showed it's actually more like Orc/Human themed armor.

Gnomes, night elves, worgen, tauren, Forsaken, goblins, and blood elves are all kind of lacking in themed armor (at least modern armor with decent resolution textures) these days.

[Poshadin]

I am in favor of this. They are right having gear slots locked by tier is kinda lame. Granted with no "legion legendaries" it wouldn't be as bad, but as a prot pally my best legiondaries were helm, shoulders, and sometimes legs. Those are also all tier slots so 6 gear slots are "locked" if I get anything in that slot it's an automatic DE.

The Azurite armor is basically "the new tier" it is the reason you will want to raid and push progression. It will not TF so a mythic raider is always going to have better than a heroic who will always have better than normal. The progression on the azurite armor will be like tier bonuses.

[Marrilaife]

Honestly, 21 tier sets in, I'm finding that the class-themed designs of sets are getting kind of old.

I prefer them rather than the weird cosplay sets, you remember the "I'm a geist!" rogue ICC set? Only changed to "I'm Al'Akir now!" first set of Cata? It was horrible.

[The Oblivion]

so other then trinkets, mythic+ will be far superior to raiding. every piece can get perfect stats and no loss of set bonuses. such a shame.

[leviathonlx]

so other then trinkets, mythic+ will be far superior to raiding. every piece can get perfect stats and no loss of set bonuses. such a shame.

Raiding will still give better Azerite gear as it can't titan/warforge.

[getupkid55]

so other then trinkets, mythic+ will be far superior to raiding. every piece can get perfect stats and no loss of set bonuses. such a shame.

You forgot the Heart of Azeroth gear which is literally a better and more enticing version of tier sets. It also doesn’t Tita forge so you have to mythic raid to get the best version.

[The Oblivion]

Raiding will still give better Azerite gear as it can't titan/warforge.

oh boy, more AP 2.0, how lucky. such wow

[leviathonlx]

oh boy, more AP 2.0, how lucky. such wow

How about we see how it works before we go and whine? That also has nothing to do with the fact that the best ilvl Azerite gear still is in mythic raiding.

[The Oblivion]

How about we see how it works before we go and whine? That also has nothing to do with the fact that the best ilvl Azerite gear still is in mythic raiding.

it doesnt matter, removing set bonuses further pushes raiding down, mythic+ already gives better loot, so now other then trinkets, its close to pointless to raid unless you are a top tier mythic raider who does it for prestige.

[Onikaroshi]

Raiding will still give better Azerite gear as it can't titan/warforge.

You forgot the Heart of Azeroth gear which is literally a better and more enticing version of tier sets. It also doesn’t Tita forge so you have to mythic raid to get the best version.

As it stands now there is no changes to the M+ system, which means you could net a heroic level Azerite piece from just running a dungeon and every week you could get a mythic level one, raiding is not the only way to get those pieces, and Dungeons can offer more itemization variety.

Trinkets? For the first half of legion dungeon trinkets were better, it's all on tuning for those, they could swing that way again for BfA, making raiding just about worthless.

[leviathonlx]

it doesnt matter, removing set bonuses further pushes raiding down, mythic+ already gives better loot, so now other then trinkets, its close to pointless to raid unless you are a top tier mythic raider who does it for prestige.

I wasn't aware they told us Mythic+ can Titanforge to mythic level after they've mentioned several times they are limiting Titanforging.

[xuros]

Guess the truth is that the design team ran out of ideas for "class fantasy" to make the sets look cool lol. The sets the past couple of xpacks minus a few sets for each class have looked like shit. Not to mention some of the bonuses that made you just want to scratch your head at lol.

[tkioz]

TOS sets were homage to t6 from TBC (reference to Illidan and Black Temple), uprezzed with extra details. Since the whole expansion is about finishing Illidan's storyline we get touches like remade t6 and Black Temple timewalking to relive the nostalgia. I don't think it was that bad of an idea overall.

I understand where they were coming from, I just would have rathered something that fit the ascetic of TOS better.

[The Oblivion]

I wasn't aware they told us Mythic+ can Titanforge to mythic level after they've mentioned several times they are limiting Titanforging.

So, there is no point in raiding normal or heroic. only mythic, ASSUMING it cant get to mythic levels, which lets be honest, it will be able too.

[Onikaroshi]

I wasn't aware they told us Mythic+ can Titanforge to mythic level after they've mentioned several times they are limiting Titanforging.

Thing is what a lot of M+ "Titanforging" is is a base level. 915 Mythic 10 Titanforged is the same as just saying 915 Mythic 10. And the limits with the TF system may only lie in the 3 pieces plus chance at tfing being lowered, they have no solid answer on it yet though.

[leviathonlx]

Thing is what a lot of M+ "Titanforging" is is a base level. 915 Mythic 10 Titanforged is the same as just saying 915 Mythic 10. And the limits with the TF system may only lie in the 3 pieces plus chance at tfing being lowered, they have no solid answer on it yet though.

So what you're saying is that we should stop making assumptions that things will be exactly like they are now?

[Onikaroshi]

So what you're saying is that we should stop making assumptions that things will be exactly like they are now?

No, we should assume it will stay as it is now since they said they're happy with M+ and will just be looking to make improvements.

We can assume max M+ level will still give a heroic level piece baseline with the chest giving mythic baseline.

[Assumi]

Having half your gear locked down for 6 months because of artifacts, legendaries, and tier in a world with Titan forging was so dumb.

Fuck no, actually havign a slot finished because you got your item was great. The same way WoW worked right until it went to shit with garbage like titanforging and random upgrades. Get a BiS drop, done for that slot. Not grind 24/7/365 for a 0.1% chance of a 0.1% chance of a 0.1% chance it upgrades 50 ilvls. I got my Tier helm, I was done for helms that tier, I got my BiS sword I was set for that tier. Not "Oh it didn't titanforge 48 times, time to run this place for another 12 months".

All this change is doing is adding even more bullshit into the endless Artifact Power 2.0 system.