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    Can't We Have 2 Kinds of Vanilla Servers?

    Do we really have to decide one way or the other? Can't we have half the servers be regular classic done like Nostalrious and the other half open to the changes like more balanced classes and some updates? Label the unchanged servers Classic and the other ones Classic+

    Why do we have to force it one way? Did a blue say so or something? Instead of arguing with the opposite side, let's encourage blizzard to separate them into 2 servers. A blog post and description on the realm list should be enough to let people know which server is which.

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    Probably because they are already running the risk of there not being a lot of active players, and splitting the player base in two like that just makes that risk even higher.

    How about they just develop a regular ass vanilla first, see how it goes, then go from there? Why do we have to have everything up front? They're hiring a new team for this, they'll probably want them to still have a job after it's done.

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    Why you are still talking about Vanilla? Its Classic.. so we can expect for example modified Vanilla (Vanilla with achievements, transmog, LFR, new graphic etc.)

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    Just play live if you want stuff from live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEaterofSouls View Post
    Do we really have to decide one way or the other? Can't we have half the servers be regular classic done like Nostalrious and the other half open to the changes like more balanced classes and some updates? Label the unchanged servers Classic and the other ones Classic+
    There is already version open to changes like more balanced classes—retail WoW. Let WoW Classic be classic, the market for WoW vanilla content with a design that is not like classic and not like retail is probably very small.

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    And why not having a third one, with half of the new stuff and half of the old stuff ?

    Why not having a fourth one, with 75% of the new stuff and 25% of the old stuff ?

    You wanted Vanilla, you'll have Vanilla. One version of it.

    Take some development courses and create your own game if WoW doesn't fit your needs

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    Then you want 4 kinds of classic servers. Then you want 8 kinds of classic servers. Then you want 16 kinds of classic servers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Just play live if you want stuff from live.
    as someone who plays and loves live, when i play vanilla i want a different experience. i dont come for modern changes i already play.

    Blizzard should proritise the midset of people are already playing live, so this has to be a completely different experience to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jowany View Post
    Why you are still talking about Vanilla? Its Classic.. so we can expect for example modified Vanilla (Vanilla with achievements, transmog, LFR, new graphic etc.)
    if the servers have lfr or lfd i wont be playing them. Thats the one thing that cant happen, besides removing all the buff utilities from classes. Oh and level has to take a really long time. about as long as your average 1x private server. And no level boosts. but thats really it. they can make changes if it keeps the feel of vanilla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEaterofSouls View Post
    Blizzard should proritise the midset of people are already playing live, so this has to be a completely different experience to live.
    Blizzard does that with live servers.

    Classic servers are meant as an experiement in terms of how much recovery/reacquisition can be made abusing people's nostalgia. You are clearly not the intended target group.

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    There is a saying for this:

    "If you offer a hand, people will want your whole arm."

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    Why stop at only 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    Why stop at only 2?
    I also want one with my likes.

    There is no end if it is split into 2 and then more. You guys wanted classic, nice, you are getting it. Now asking for things "ooh but this would also be good, but some people will not want that or this so lets make it in another server" is greedy. As someone mentioned, if you want to play with stuff live server have, well you have live servers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cqwrteur View Post
    Then you want 4 kinds of classic servers. Then you want 8 kinds of classic servers. Then you want 16 kinds of classic servers....
    Easily solved. On login, you get tons of menus and select exactly how you want the server to be. You can get for example a list of patches with detailed changes each has and you get to play only with ppl who also selected that to avoid game incomptabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEaterofSouls View Post
    Do we really have to decide one way or the other? Can't we have half the servers be regular classic done like Nostalrious and the other half open to the changes like more balanced classes and some updates? Label the unchanged servers Classic and the other ones Classic+

    Why do we have to force it one way? Did a blue say so or something? Instead of arguing with the opposite side, let's encourage blizzard to separate them into 2 servers. A blog post and description on the realm list should be enough to let people know which server is which.
    Almost certainly not, and you have to understand the real motivation behind Blizzard's decision to implement WoW Classic.

    Blizz is doing this because there are probably no more than a few million subscriptions to the current game. Sure, it surges briefly with a new expansion with smaller surges after each new raid is released, but the average number of constant subscriptions is likely well below 5 million now (possibly as low as 3 million). Years ago I could tell you the reality of their subscriptions (their reported numbers were always a bit higher than reality), but they've merged all online financials into a single bucket now, purposefully making it impossible to estimate the number of subs anymore.

    Anyways, Blizz would like to see a lot more constant subscriptions. Nostalrius and similar illegal servers demonstrated that there are actually a million or more people who would like to play the original game. Although there are complications, the amount of effort to set up a decent quality version of Vanilla isn't that much in the greater scheme of things, and Blizz likely thinks that they can get at least a couple of million people who aren't interested in the current version of the game to pay again to play the original.

    As for playing WoW Classic with current updates, you can do that now. Just start a brand new character.

    TL;DR - Blizz is looking at putting minimal effort to snag a couple of million subs that they don't have today. Blizz is not looking to expend a large effort to get people who play the current version to play a modified Wow Classic (i.e. no net gain of subs).

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    I want vanilla but with death knights and demonhunters unlocked and a levelling road to help us get to max level quicker and vendors with all the potions and scrolls in the game and thunderfury has a small percent chance to drop from level 9 boars in durotar and finding mankirk's wife gives you a 90000% boost to you xp and flying is allowed but only in stranglethorn vale and /emotes have a chance to 1 shot a player thats higher level than you (but only if theyre flagged for pvp) and fishing in booty bay has a small chance for you to pull out frostmourne and unlock the wrath of the lich king expansion early and ...//
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    Almost certainly not, and you have to understand the real motivation behind Blizzard's decision to implement WoW Classic.

    Blizz is doing this because there are probably no more than a few million subscriptions to the current game. Sure, it surges briefly with a new expansion with smaller surges after each new raid is released, but the average number of constant subscriptions is likely well below 5 million now (possibly as low as 3 million). Years ago I could tell you the reality of their subscriptions (their reported numbers were always a bit higher than reality), but they've merged all online financials into a single bucket now, purposefully making it impossible to estimate the number of subs anymore.

    Anyways, Blizz would like to see a lot more constant subscriptions. Nostalrius and similar illegal servers demonstrated that there are actually a million or more people who would like to play the original game. Although there are complications, the amount of effort to set up a decent quality version of Vanilla isn't that much in the greater scheme of things, and Blizz likely thinks that they can get at least a couple of million people who aren't interested in the current version of the game to pay again to play the original.

    As for playing WoW Classic with current updates, you can do that now. Just start a brand new character.

    TL;DR - Blizz is looking at putting minimal effort to snag a couple of million subs that they don't have today. Blizz is not looking to expend a large effort to get people who play the current version to play a modified Wow Classic (i.e. no net gain of subs).
    Thanks for the inside info. It would make a lot more financial sense however, for Blizz to aim to get as many of the 100million lifetime players subbed again.

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