Alliance Allied Races Not Fair?

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Because:
1) They are cool as f@ck. They are a hybrid of Vrykyl nad Ogres, but not dumb stupid.
2) They will have 100% original an unique model and animations unlike other allied races.

As a horde player, I am very happy you guys will be getting a new sub race that is cool as fuck .
Nothing to be "mad" about.

[ls-]

Man'ari eredars aren't ex-slaves or exiles, draeneis are the exiles ones.

That's why I said defectors, there's no point for BL Man'ari to join anyone even after Sargeras imprisonment.

[Obelisk Kai]

Thalrysra is the one talking with Liadrin to bring the Nightborne into the Horde as seen in the Legion Demo. She sent Silgryn as the Surumar ambassador.

Sooo the Alliance gets the Draenei from the Army of the Light (which is not a big group if we are honest), the Void Elves (who are an even smaller group and may potentially go insane at any moment) and the Dark Iron Dwarves, who are a bona fide kingdom. The Alliance also brings the Kingdom of Kul Tiras fully into the Alliance.

Meanwhile the Horde gets the Highmountain Tauren (controls the entire zone of Highmountain...by extension I think this bring some Drogbar into the Horde too), the Kingdom of Suramar via the Nightborne (controls the Suramar zone including the Suramar zone) AND the Zandalari Empire (whom other Troll races look to for leadership).

In terms of looks, I would say the Horde has a better variety (particularly Nightborne and the heavily desired Zandalari trolls I hope can go Paladin). In terms of lore, the Alliance seems to be opting for specialist forces and two countries whereas the Horde is adding four countries.

I guess this explains the Horde's power boost for this expansion.

But something bothers me.

The red shirt guy clearly said he was offered TWO quests at the embassy for Allied races, one for LF Draenei and one for Void Elves. He also said the Horde get quests for Nightborne and HM Tauren. It's clear that adding the Zandalari comes from doing their content on Zandalar, which makes sense, so it isn't offered at the very beginning.

Can someone think up a reason why doing quests on Kul Tiras is going to unlock Dark Iron Dwarves?

[Supertoster]

And from what I've seen Kul'Tiras humans use Vrykul skeletons...

Someone from devs on one of the Blizzcon panels said that they are 100% original.

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Can someone think up a reason why doing quests on Kul Tiras is going to unlock Dark Iron Dwarves?

Because Kul Tiras humans will be announced before release, as I think. So Horde players will do quests in Zandalar to obtain Zandalari trolls, while Alliance players will do quests in Kul Tiras to obtain Kul Tiras humans.
Dark Iron Dwarves and unknown Horde race will be at the embassy. They are just not finished yet.

[Lochton]

Do you guys think Blizzard could've done better with the Allied Races for Alliance?

Both Lightforged Draenei and Voidfused Elf doesn't have an established hub compared to the other 4 allied races.

Seeing the Lightforged Draenei and Lothraxion on Legion, I thought of other races becoming "Lightforged" until BfA (although it's still possible).

I'm "fine" with Lightforged Draenei and Void Elf as it feels like the Army of the Light siding with the Alliance
Horde's allied models IMO is better unless they give Alliance Lightforged Nathrezim https://youtu.be/KTLXceLBY8I

Well, I'm okay with five of them. Lightforged Draenei is more of a joke than Void Elves but then again, that is why they are called 'allied races' and now 'sub races'.

As well, there's coming some story in the next patch they said.

[Zephre]

I am telling you right now:
Horde are not going to get Thunder Totem, and they certainly aren't going to get Suramar.

Playable HM Tauren will likely be a small off-shoot group the main bulk will remain neutral. Nightborne will almost certainly be a small splinter group under Silgryn, Suramar is not going to switch to Horde.

Except yes they are knowing what we know from Blizzcon.

Thalyssra will join the horde that's been said already by Blizzard, Baine is throwing a banquet for the highmountain chieftans. Trying to diminish what's going to happen though head canon isn't usually a good thing to do especially when we've already had stuff confirmed, it might change, it could change but you're wrong right now.

As hard as it might be for your head canon to accept.

On topic, I'm hoping the void elves will undergo some changes to truly differ them from blood elves instead of making them look like purple blood elves with emo haircuts, I like the dark iron but I dislike the lightforged. I feel that the dark iron and lightforged simply could of been done with customization via a barber shop rather than a separate race on their own.

[Eurhetemec]

and whos to say they wont get racial mounts? they might only get 1 but i doubt they wont have mounts.

Blizzard have said that they're considering the issue, but if you think they're going to get mounts, I suspect you will be disappointed. The Nightborne mount is already in the game, for starters, as I would argue, is the LF Draenei one.

[Obelisk Kai]

Someone from devs on one of the Blizzcon panels said that they are 100% original.

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Because Kul Tiras humans will be announced before release, as I think. So Horde players will do quests in Zandalar to obtain Zandalari trolls, while Alliance players will do quests in Kul Tiras to obtain Kul Tiras humans.
Dark Iron Dwarves and unknown Horde race will be at the embassy. They are just not finished yet.

This is starting to make a scary amount of sense.

Now this is going to be tinfoil hat time, but bear with me.

There are TWO missing Allied races, as you suggested (or not, this is a mad, mad theory but the theory depends on there being two).

The Dark Iron Dwarves are being used as misdirection, but not to hide the missing Alliance Allied race. That is because the missing Alliance Allied race will be the big, beefy Kul Tiras Humans. They are the most obvious candidate and from what I saw at Blizzcon they looked really close to being playable.

The misdirection is in fact to hide the missing Horde Allied race. Because they haven't put the Dark Iron quest into the game, they knew the original testers would create a link between them AND the Zandalari whom we know you are only going to be able to unlock once you've gotten through the quests on their island.

The Dark Irons will in fact be added by doing a quest from the embassy, just like the Void Elves and the LF Draenei.

So who IS the missing Horde race?

Who indeed? What could it possibly be. To get the answer we must look....at the VOID ELVES! (Dramatic Pause, lightning crash).

The big complaint about the Void Elves right now is that they are appearing from nowhere with no lore and no backstory, they just happen to 'appear'.

Only one theory has been put forward to explain where they may come from and that is...AETHAS SUNREAVER!

On board the Vindicaar, Aethas talks with Khadgar about feeling an attunement with the fundamental forces of the universe. The fundamental forces of the universe are, void and light. The theory goes that Aethas leads the Sunreavers into experimenting with the Void, becoming the Void Elves and getting themselves kicked out of Silvermoon for their efforts. Alleria finds them and brings them into the Alliance. The Sunreavers ARE the Void Elves. Also the Alliance forgives them for the divine bell incident and Jaina promises not to murder Aethas for...reasons.

Now, my fellow conspirator, you ask how this relates to the supposed missing Horde Allied race? Well...General Nazgrim and Admiral Taylor were a pair. Where one was, the other would be too. And when Nazgrim died, Taylor followed shortly after.
And when Teldrassil is destroyed, the Horde will lose Undercity.
Even the High King and the Warchief died in the same battle.

Almost always in the modern story, there is reciprocity between the factions. You take something from the Horde, you take from the Alliance something of equal value.

You take the Sunreavers from the Horde to give to the Alliance...you take their counterparts in the Silver Covenant to give to the Horde.

And how would you take this militant sect of High Elves who stood with the Alliance through everything?

Easy.

You kill them. We've all seen the image of Sylvanas accompanied by a dying High Elf watching Teldrassil burn, right? That dying elf is probably Veressa. And it looks like there was a battle given the swords and whatnot in the forground. Did Veressa fight alone in that battle or was she accompanied by her trusty Silver Covenant?

And they lose. And they die.

And then Sylavnas raises them as the new Horde Allied race...Undead Elves.

You'll do a quest for their resurrection from the embassy, probably started by Nathanos.

And that's my borderline insane speculation done for the day.

IT ALL FITS PEOPLE.

[Octavius]

Yeah, most likely.
In times past, (coff coff cata and Mop coff coff) the horde got much more than alliance, or the ally lost far more (theramore for.. absolutely nothing). That said, allied race are meh for the allies, wanna see if the horde really gets suramar, and if they move their lazy asses and make shadowforge a proper city. I can see exodar in kalimdor does not help cause the lightforged (maybe).
Last point: now that there are allied race, I'll become very very disappointed if furbolgs won't be made as such, sooner or later.

[Supertoster]

This is starting to make a scary amount of sense.

Now this is going to be tinfoil hat time, but bear with me.

There are TWO missing Allied races, as you suggested (or not, this is a mad, mad theory but the theory depends on there being two).

The Dark Iron Dwarves are being used as misdirection, but not to hide the missing Alliance Allied race. That is because the missing Alliance Allied race will be the big, beefy Kul Tiras Humans. They are the most obvious candidate and from what I saw at Blizzcon they looked really close to being playable.

The misdirection is in fact to hide the missing Horde Allied race. Because they haven't put the Dark Iron quest into the game, they knew the original testers would create a link between them AND the Zandalari whom we know you are only going to be able to unlock once you've gotten through the quests on their island.

The Dark Irons will in fact be added by doing a quest from the embassy, just like the Void Elves and the LF Draenei.

So who IS the missing Horde race?

Who indeed? What could it possibly be. To get the answer we must look....at the VOID ELVES! (Dramatic Pause, lightning crash).

The big complaint about the Void Elves right now is that they are appearing from nowhere with no lore and no backstory, they just happen to 'appear'.

Only one theory has been put forward to explain where they may come from and that is...AETHAS SUNREAVER!

On board the Vindicaar, Aethas talks with Khadgar about feeling an attunement with the fundamental forces of the universe. The fundamental forces of the universe are, void and light. The theory goes that Aethas leads the Sunreavers into experimenting with the Void, becoming the Void Elves and getting themselves kicked out of Silvermoon for their efforts. Alleria finds them and brings them into the Alliance. The Sunreavers ARE the Void Elves. Also the Alliance forgives them for the divine bell incident and Jaina promises not to murder Aethas for...reasons.

Now, my fellow conspirator, you ask how this relates to the supposed missing Horde Allied race? Well...General Nazgrim and Admiral Taylor were a pair. Where one was, the other would be too. And when Nazgrim died, Taylor followed shortly after.
And when Teldrassil is destroyed, the Horde will lose Undercity.
Even the High King and the Warchief died in the same battle.

Almost always in the modern story, there is reciprocity between the factions. You take something from the Horde, you take from the Alliance something of equal value.

You take the Sunreavers from the Horde to give to the Alliance...you take their counterparts in the Silver Covenant to give to the Horde.

And how would you take this militant sect of High Elves who stood with the Alliance through everything?

Easy.

You kill them. We've all seen the image of Sylvanas accompanied by a dying High Elf watching Teldrassil burn, right? That dying elf is probably Veressa. And it looks like there was a battle given the swords and whatnot in the forground. Did Veressa fight alone in that battle or was she accompanied by her trusty Silver Covenant?

And they lose. And they die.

And then Sylavnas raises them as the new Horde Allied race...Undead Elves.

You'll do a quest for their resurrection from the embassy, probably started by Nathanos.

And that's my borderline insane speculation done for the day.

IT ALL FITS PEOPLE.

Lol, that was fun to read, tbh.
but my version is much more simple.

Both sides obtain a powerful allied faction that is important in story of BtA: Horde gets Zandalari troll while Alliance gets fatty badass Kul Tiras humans.
Then both sides obtain allied factions they met during events of Legion: Horde gets Nightborne and Highmountain Taurens while Alliance gets Void Elves and Lightforged space goats.
And then both sides obtain allied factions that are very old and well known for time: Alliance gets Dark Iron Dwarves and Horde gets Ogres or Mag'har Orcs.

[Immitis]

Blizzard have said that they're considering the issue, but if you think they're going to get mounts, I suspect you will be disappointed. The Nightborne mount is already in the game, for starters, as I would argue, is the LF Draenei one.

eh, there is plenty they could do.

high/blood elf mounts were unicorns yet they gave them chickens.

heres some ideas

nightbourne - mana construct mount. you know the guys who use the tol'vir skeleton? use those as a mount. or perhaps, a manastrider that is like the manasaber but a hawkstrider

draenei - lightforged talbuk. as we now know draenei are the ones that brough talbuk to draenor, or lightforged pandara

highmountain - a moose all decked out with native american motifs and armor, or a hawk with similar additions

void elves - a voided out hawkstrider or unicorn.

dark iron - a dark iron ram

zandalari - devilsaur

[Supertoster]

Kul Tiras mount?
Peg leg...

[Eurhetemec]

eh, there is plenty they could do.

high/blood elf mounts were unicorns yet they gave them chickens.

heres some ideas

nightbourne - mana construct mount. you know the guys who use the tol'vir skeleton? use those as a mount. or perhaps, a manastrider that is like the manasaber but a hawkstrider

draenei - lightforged talbuk. as we now know draenei are the ones that brough talbuk to draenor, or lightforged pandara

highmountain - a moose all decked out with native american motifs and armor, or a hawk with similar additions

void elves - a voided out hawkstrider or unicorn.

dark iron - a dark iron ram

zandalari - devilsaur

Yeah, they could, but why? Why not spend the same effort on a mount that players have to make more effort to get than just unlocking a race (which with the 4 Legion ones seems likely to be trivial)?

Zandalari and DIs may well have mounts, because they sound like they will be higher-effort to unlock, but the others? It's not likely.

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And then Sylavnas raises them as the new Horde Allied race...Undead Elves.

You'll do a quest for their resurrection from the embassy, probably started by Nathanos.

And that's my borderline insane speculation done for the day.

IT ALL FITS PEOPLE.

I know there's a lot of black marker pen, triple-underlining, crudely drawn arrows and red string on your crazy wall right now, but I do hope you are correct. That would be awesome.

It is a little hard to see how the DIs would fit into the same slot as the Zandalari.

[Obelisk Kai]

I know there's a lot of black marker pen, triple-underlining, crudely drawn arrows and red string on your crazy wall right now, but I do hope you are correct. That would be awesome.

It is a little hard to see how the DIs would fit into the same slot as the Zandalari.

How did you....are you working for THEM?

But in all honesty, few people are asking the real question here.

Why are the Dark Iron the unlockable reward for completing Kul Tiras? It's implied they are...

[Detheavn]

I'm cool with Draenei+ and Edgebelfs. Would have rather had Murlocs and Gnolls though

[Taedae]

I'm fine with Blizzard's selection of Allied Races for both factions. It seems to me that Blizz' concept behind Allied Races is finding companions to the factions' current races instead of adding completely new races. For example: if Blizz wanted to add the Vulpera, they would only be added as a new race. But if they wanted the Gilgoblins in the game, they would be an Allied Race. Since WoW's character options aren't as good as other games (especially the more recent MMOs like GW2), the Allied Races is one way Blizzard is trying to bridge that gap.

[Eurhetemec]

Why are the Dark Iron the unlockable reward for completing Kul Tiras? It's implied they are...

I mean, I think the reason few people are asking is that it wouldn't be exactly unprecedented for Blizzard to have oddly jammed some race, faction, culture, or whatever into a zone where you absolutely wouldn't expect them. They've done it before, and they usually manage to work it into the zone's story - to a degree, to enough of a degree that we go "Oh. Okay I guess.". Maybe it's Gnomes in the middle of some terrifying Ogre-filled spike-mountains. Maybe it's Worgen or Undead all over some Viking-y mountains, they'll have an excuse.

But... could it be all a smokescreen? I sure as fuck hope so. Two more Allied races, both of them cool, would be awesome.

I think it's a little more likely, though, that there will either be some super-rando Dark Iron faction on Kul Tiras to either gather Azerite on the orders of Moira, or just to find their rich mines or whatever, and we'll all be like "But why Dark Irons?!" and they'll be like "Because shut up, THATS WHY!".

[AwkwardSquirtle]

You kidding? My friend and I never touch alliance but we're both doing ally alts in BfA to get Dark Irons and Void Elves respectively.

[Eurhetemec]

I'm fine with Blizzard's selection of Allied Races for both factions. It seems to me that Blizz' concept behind Allied Races is finding companions to the factions' current races instead of adding completely new races. For example: if Blizz wanted to add the Vulpera, they would only be added as a new race. But if they wanted the Gilgoblins in the game, they would be an Allied Race. Since WoW's character options aren't as good as other games (especially the more recent MMOs like GW2), the Allied Races is one way Blizzard is trying to bridge that gap.

I don't know if I agree here.

What exactly is stopping Blizzard from adding the Vulpera as an Allied Race? I mean, as far as I can tell, it's only objectively easier to add a race as an "Allied Race".

A full-on race needs:

A) A genuine unique model and animation set.

B) A 1-15-ish starting zone(s).

C) Mounts. (semi-exception for the Worgen due to Plainsrunning or whatever the hell it's called).

D) A faction, replete with tabard and so on.

Possibly more that I'm forgetting.

Whereas an Allied Race needs far less:

A) An at least semi-unique model.

B) An armour-type agnostic "heritage" armour set.

C) A faction, not necessarily but probably including a tabard.

D) An introductory quest/quest-chain.

That's the same number of points, but, like, far, far less work.

So with the Vulpera, if I was Blizzard, I'd introduce them as an Allied Race. Why?

1) They use the Goblin animation set, or appear to. Pretty sure they do. I'm sure it's modified for their heads, but I imagine they have the same attack animations and so on. This kind of disqualifies them from being a full race.

2) It's hella cheaper and people would be super-fucking-happy. Sure, you'd get the odd "But a starting zone would be nice..." deal.

So why make them a full-on race when it's cheaper to go Allied? I think the only full-on races we might ever see would be ones which were huge characters in future expansions.

[xxcloud417xx]

Alliance has had better looking races since launch, you've got no leg to stand on here. It's about damn time the Horde gets trolls that don't look like they have a spine disorder...