Trump Jr. and Wikileaks Talking During Election

[Sky High]

The issue is Trump's image in the minds of detractors varies constantly. The people responsible for his success (and it's never himself, it seems) change when convenient. It's not consistent and I suspect it's shifted so frequently to prevent anybody from having a serious argument, utilizing facts and evidence.

When you deride Hillary Clinton the image is always the same: totally corrupt and inept. The situation in Syria, the uranium deals, the Foundation controversy, her deplorable blunders during the campaign. These all paint a consistent picture that was so prominent it prevented her from winning. Trump meanwhile? One day he's an oblivious buffoon, the next he's a megalomaniac, then he's conniving enough to adjust policy to benefit himself, then he's a moron again...

It's tiresome. The left can't beat this guy because there's too many chefs spoiling the broth, and none of them can cook to begin with.

who cares, go start a separate thread about it. /begonethot

[mariachi]

Multiple intelligence agencies are a far greater authority on this than you, and, unfortunately, they agree that there's evidence of collusion. Mueller also agrees. That's why he's indicted multiple members of Drumpf's campaign. Why are you shitposting?

Where's the conviction then, Atticus? Are you going to be reciting this same narrative in another six months too, when your arch-nemesis is still running the country?

Hell, even a conviction wouldn't get rid of him. Bill Clinton, a man factually found to have committed a crime, was allowed to continue as president until he was supposed to go.

[Felya]

These texts have nothing wrong with them, if only you bother to read the whole conversation. With that said, they published Russian documents this september. They did come.

I am talking about them in context. Otherwise, you’d actually post them. You tried, but it didn’t help. Ignorance is bliss...

Feel free to post what you claim is them targeting Russia. I am sure Russia gave them something benign, so Wikileaks doesn’t seem like pro-Russia, just like they asked Trump.

[mariachi]

who cares, go start a separate thread about it. /begonethot

Not an argument.

[Felya]

Considering the fact that you outright cannot read the whole discussion between Jr and Wikileaks, your point is moot.

Bullshit! You are, again, not presenting the correct representation... because you already did that and it has been routinely outlined why you are wrong. Now, you don’t even bother? Nice!

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I am talking about them in context. Otherwise, you’d actually post them. You tried, but it didn’t help. Ignorance is bliss...

Feel free to post what you claim is them targeting Russia. I am sure Russia gave them something benign, so Wikileaks doesn’t seem like pro-Russia, just like they asked Trump.

https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/

While the surveillance of communication traffic is a global phenomena, the legal and technological framework of its operation is different for each country. Russia's laws - especially the new Yarovaya Law - make literally no distinction between Lawful Interception and mass surveillance by state intelligence authorities (SIAs) without court orders. Russian communication providers are required by Russian law to install the so-called SORM ( Система Оперативно-Розыскных Мероприятий) components for surveillance provided by the FSB at their own expense. The SORM infrastructure is developed and deployed in Russia with close cooperation between the FSB, the Interior Ministry of Russia and Russian surveillance contractors.

It's actually really interesting.

[Mayhem]

To imply anyone is worse than the duo who inspired House of Cards is low-level trolling.

I never knew that the clintons inspired a british author (ex chief of staff of the conservative party) to write a book about them 4 years before bill became president. Tell me more please.

[BrerBear]

The Clinton Foundation isn't free of controversy. Far from it, frankly.

Aw, cute. Uranium One. Even Fox News is walking that back now.

Trump is a businessman, it's entirely understandable some of his ventures (like the university) either become controversial or shut down.

Or settle for $25 million for defrauding your customers. Totally understandable.

Yet if you compare his philanthropic failures to the long list of successes and, suddenly, he has a better batting average than Babe Ruth.

Businesses aren't baseball.
And as your own link points out, Trump would have made more money putting his $40 million inheritance in index funds than he did as a "dealmaker".

[Felya]

Not an argument.

Look at the thread title... your argument is off topic. That’s why he is telling you to start a thread on it. Otherwise, it’s nothing, but being beholden to Trump to create a distraction. You care about it enough to bitch, then do it so it can be a discussion, not going off topic to protect Trump.

[Arvei]

The issue is Trump's image in the minds of detractors varies constantly. The people responsible for his success (and it's never himself, it seems) change when convenient. It's not consistent and I suspect it's shifted so frequently to prevent anybody from having a serious argument, utilizing facts and evidence.

Uh, what? His poor image is VERY consistent among literally anyone that isn't a Trump supporter. Also, I have no idea why you alt-righters have a nasty habit of using whataboutisms to keep deflecting to Hillary. Even if she's convicted of anything, who gives a shit? She's not the president, so you guys can continue on your hopeless tirade to prosecute her all you want.

You, like many on your side, seem to have a big misconception that the whole anti-Trump movement is cheering for literally anybody on our team in a game of political football. However, most of us want justice no matter who commits the crime. It just so happens that one of the biggest criminals is currently sitting behind the resolute desk.

[Sky High]

Not an argument.

oh, you're at least that observant. no it's not an argument, because your argument has fuck all to do with the topic. so I'm not going to dignify it with a reasoned argument.
/sniff sniff
you seem familiar...

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Bullshit! You are, again, not presenting the correct representation... because you already did that and it has been routinely outlined why you are wrong. Now, you don’t even bother? Nice!

But that's not even remotely true! https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/t...s-65ecd7c2468f

Because the atlantic article is a cesspool of malpractice, I don't see why I should take it at face value, so I've decided to take a look for myself directly at the communications.

I've been following Wikileaks closely for years now. This is a common practice for a journalistic investigation, even more so when it's related to leaks.

[mariachi]

I never knew that the clintons inspired a british author (ex chief of staff of the conservative party) to write a book about them 4 years before bill became president. Tell me more please.

Sure, here you go.

[Dontrike]

oh, you're at least that observant. no it's not an argument, because your argument has fuck all to do with the topic. so I'm not going to dignify it with a reasoned argument.
/sniff sniff
you seem familiar...

You just made me realize that it's yet again Tijuana. How's it going @Tijuana?

[mariachi]

Uh, what? His poor image is VERY consistent among literally anyone that isn't a Trump supporter. Also, I have no idea why you alt-righters have a nasty habit of using whataboutisms to keep deflecting to Hillary. Even if she's convicted of anything, who gives a shit? She's not the president, so you guys can continue on your hopeless tirade to prosecute her all you want.

You, like many on your side, seem to have a big misconception that the whole anti-Trump movement is cheering for literally anybody on our team in a game of political football. However, most of us want justice no matter who commits the crime. It just so happens that one of the biggest criminals is currently sitting behind the resolute desk.

"You alt-righters," "like many on your side," yadda yadda. Just call me a nazi or whatever and get it out of your system, your $7 boutique frapp is getting cold.

[Felya]

https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/

It's actually really interesting.

Yes, just like it was in 1995... This isn’t something new and fits exactly what I said and what Wikileaks asked Trump to do. How is this, something they list as being from 1995, starting before Putin, any different than what Wikileaks asked Trump to provide, to not seem pro-Russia?

[mariachi]

Yes, just like it was in 1995... This isn’t something new and fits exactly what I said and what Wikileaks asked Trump to do. How is this, something they list as being from 1995, starting before Putin, any different than what Wikileaks asked Trump to provide, to not seem pro-Russia...

This picture remains relevant and I have a feeling it will remain relevant for the next 5+ years.

[Arvei]

"You alt-righters," "like many on your side," yadda yadda. Just call me a nazi or whatever and get it out of your system, your $7 boutique frapp is getting cold.

I'll take this ad-hominem as a sign that your whataboutism has crumbled and you can't put up any actual rational argument. Thanks for playing!

[mariachi]

I'll take this ad-hominem as a sign that your whataboutism has crumbled and you can't put up any actual rational argument. Thanks for playing!

I'm waiting for you to provide even a single source to support your argument. I've posted more than five in this thread alone.

Could it be your non-arguments are based entirely on opinion rather than evidence?

[Felya]

"You alt-righters," "like many on your side," yadda yadda. Just call me a nazi or whatever and get it out of your system, your $7 boutique frapp is getting cold.

Why not address everything else? Why are you whining, instead of presenting a case for why he is wrong?

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This picture remains relevant and I have a feeling it will remain relevant for the next 5+ years.

What the fuck are you talking about? What Russian hackers do you see in my post? Memes now are relevant... wtf?