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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    The toggle system is very clearly going to be completely abused. The world will become an open-world BG, thus removing the dynamic, organic feeling of World PvP. This isn't a positive change for people that actually like World PvP. This is PvP servers being killed off.
    Well if that is your opinion than more power to you. That doesn't mean it has to exactly be like you think it will.
    I don't see what the abuse is? People changing to PvE when coming to a zone where their spawn is complete blocked off by the other faction in order to get Quests done? That is not an abuse, it is a legit game mechanic. BUT first there would have to be such a situation which would organically be prevented by everybody joining the PvP shard is ACTIVELY chosing to do so. Organic PvP isn't going away, it will shift in size and the way people engage each other.

    I just wonder where all this "fear the unknown" comes from. And all those years i did not regret to have rolled on a PvP server, but i very well like where this change can (and most likely will) lead to. And as such a PvP player i can olny say to you and all other doomsayers: just imagine it will be way better than you expect, people fighting across the zones, back and forth between two camps on multiple maps/regions..... you are not there to experience and enjoy the carnage. You'll be sorry that you missed out on all of that ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dydric View Post
    Dear Gankers, One-Shotters, and Tanks!

    Next expansion is going to be just swell. PvP servers are going to disappear and PvP will have to be toggled on. What does this mean for you? You're going to be lumped onto a CRZ shard with like minded gankers, one-shotters, and tanks. And while you're suffering, like players are now in Wpvp because of you, we'll all be laughing and going on with our days. Hey, PvP happened - you toggled it on, not us.

    Don't worry though, the community will stand up and fight for you though, right? Nope. Remember every time you tried to derail our posts for change when we got one shot by you? We're going to return the favor 10x over. Enjoy being locked in a purgatory of other toxic players. Eventually you'll get tired of dying and flip off PvP. The pool of players using that feature will get bored and move on, and the game will go on without you. You will not be missed, and your subscription fee will not be missed. A decent person will replace you and the game will be just fine. Because hey, PvE happened stop complaining about it.

    With love,
    Why did you roll on a PVP server if you didnt want to have to PvP? Did you think ganking would not happen?

    Honestly this is why I love PvP servers, that feeling of danger. OMG level 101! Will he kill me? Will he help me? Did he even see me.

    This is sad news to me. Like getting rid of twinks, letting wintergrasp die, no more { insert balleground } weekend.

    I understand change, but these are and have been changes that I do not like.

  3. #163
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    PvE servers already exist. Why would you roll on a PvP server and then demand that players who actually enjoy them be forced to change? You had an option to avoid everything, already. We're having our option taken away.
    First: i doesn't matter how many times you say "there are PvE servers" it will change that make this suggestion more than irrelevant
    Second: you get NOTHING taken away. Just simply switch PvP to on and leave it there like we PvPers all will do.

    I have nothing against having your own opinion, but don't make up facts that are no facts.... not even alternative facts. You get and additional option, not and option removed.

  4. #164
    One would think that pvp'rs would be happy with this change, since they would ONLY be seeing people with it on. Meaning you can attack anyone! Wont see any non attack-able targets.

    But of course that doesnt matter, we all know the only reason why "WPVPers" are mad about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    Actually I rolled on a PvE server. Still hate PvP. Hate it with a passion. So much so that I'd rather burn it out of the game entirely than even have it as a consideration going forward in any designers head.
    That is so ridiculously childish that your avatar makes perfect sense to me now. One half of the game has to go because you don't like it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrclyde-79 View Post
    Well if that is your opinion than more power to you. That doesn't mean it has to exactly be like you think it will.
    I don't see what the abuse is? People changing to PvE when coming to a zone where their spawn is complete blocked off by the other faction in order to get Quests done? That is not an abuse, it is a legit game mechanic. BUT first there would have to be such a situation which would organically be prevented by everybody joining the PvP shard is ACTIVELY chosing to do so. Organic PvP isn't going away, it will shift in size and the way people engage each other.
    No, that's abuse. That's what's going to happen too. Blizzard has historically under-rewarded PvP, and have gone on record as saying they want to offer bonuses to people who opt-in, but don't want players who opt-out to feel punished. This all-but-guarantees that they'll be under-rewarding opting into PvP. If it's under-rewarded, what happens? Players will finish their quests and daily content, and then opt-in when they want to PvP specifically.

    There's no more decision making, no more tenuous peace, no escalation, etc. Those organic elements don't survive when World PvP becomes an opt-in battleground. Instead we're likely to see World PvP reduced to roaming groups fighting other roaming groups. That's fine, but that's not all World PvP is.

    I just wonder where all this "fear the unknown" comes from. And all those years i did not regret to have rolled on a PvP server, but i very well like where this change can (and most likely will) lead to. And as such a PvP player i can olny say to you and all other doomsayers: just imagine it will be way better than you expect, people fighting across the zones, back and forth between two camps on multiple maps/regions..... you are not there to experience and enjoy the carnage. You'll be sorry that you missed out on all of that ;-)
    Yes, I should just imagine the change will be better than I suspect. It's not like Blizzard has been making shitty decisions for the past 7 years that have turned the game into an unrecognizable trainwreck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrclyde-79 View Post
    First: i doesn't matter how many times you say "there are PvE servers" it will change that make this suggestion more than irrelevant
    Second: you get NOTHING taken away. Just simply switch PvP to on and leave it there like we PvPers all will do.

    I have nothing against having your own opinion, but don't make up facts that are no facts.... not even alternative facts. You get and additional option, not and option removed.
    This isn't "making up a fact." There are already places where you can 'toggle' pvp on. They're called PvE servers.

  6. #166
    I don't get why people are so hot under the collar about this particular change. If you're on what was a PvP server now you can do your thing with far less whining in General and trade chat. You'll get real opponents and there will still be easy targets who were tempted by the bonus. On top of that now you'll get people popping up from other servers interested in the same experience. What exactly are you losing here? Do you really have such little faith in your favored game mode that it will only survive if people have to pay for a server transfer to move a character out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonstream View Post
    One would think that pvp'rs would be happy with this change, since they would ONLY be seeing people with it on. Meaning you can attack anyone! Wont see any non attack-able targets.

    But of course that doesnt matter, we all know the only reason why "WPVPers" are mad about this.
    Great argument. Way to address the numerous points raised in this thread so far! Oh man, I can no longer see non-attackable targets! The only thing I have to give up is a PvP server, and the dynamic aspects of World PvP!

  8. #168
    I can't see this as anything but a good thing for every kind of player. Faction imbalance has helped kill more than one server, and many people (myself included) have toons trapped on servers with a huge imbalance. Now I won't be forced to pay for a server transfer in order to use those toons because I can just turn the damn thing off.

    And my understanding is there will be sharding tech involved for those that toggle it on so they should experience a more balanced PVP environment.
    You come from the greatest country in the world. Act like it.

  9. #169
    I'm not much of a pvp enthusiast, but it seems like it'll be more rewarding to toggle pvp on, so I probably will.

  10. #170
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    No, that's abuse. That's what's going to happen too. Blizzard has historically under-rewarded PvP, and have gone on record as saying they want to offer bonuses to people who opt-in, but don't want players who opt-out to feel punished. This all-but-guarantees that they'll be under-rewarding opting into PvP. If it's under-rewarded, what happens? Players will finish their quests and daily content, and then opt-in when they want to PvP specifically.
    No that is a valid game mechanic when this system goes live.
    The reward for doing things with PvP on is NOT there to make PvPers get better rewards, it is to kind of making up the slower pace people level, farm and getting reps while (probably) being constantly attacked and therefor slowed down.
    And actually i call people only activating PvP when they want to specifically a big plus. Getting more opponents instead of victims, causing less grief is really great. And i don't need any undergeared, low level or unprepared victims to make me feel good. I leave this to those who need that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    There's no more decision making, no more tenuous peace, no escalation, etc. Those organic elements don't survive when World PvP becomes an opt-in battleground. Instead we're likely to see World PvP reduced to roaming groups fighting other roaming groups. That's fine, but that's not all World PvP is.
    Lowie ganking and outnumbering faction blocking points are aspects of W-PvP that can die a slow painful death.
    The other liek decision making, tenous peace, escalation will still happen. You have a nice theory but i think it will only shift not vanish. We'll see who was right AFTER it came out and stood in place for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    This isn't "making up a fact." There are already places where you can 'toggle' pvp on. They're called PvE servers.
    Yes you are making up horrible facts that you can possibly know and even less possibly prove, just to get your personal point across that doesn't translate to everybody. Especially not for all PvPers. And i am tiered to hear(read) this "there is a place, it is called PvE servers" is soooooo much a thing of the past. And i hope it vanishes with all those wannabe PvPers that can't take a world where PvP happens between near balanced opponets rather than between preadator and victim.
    Besides that this advice is probably to late: when the change comes there are no PvE servers (and don't you dare to say stupid nonsense like "they are all PvE servers then") and no PvP servers. Only Homeservers with PvE/PvP shards. Actually and evolution of the old, broken, static realm type system.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    That is so ridiculously childish that your avatar makes perfect sense to me now. One half of the game has to go because you don't like it!
    The fact that you think it's half is laughable.

    I don't feel any particular need to elaborate on my actual reasons. Suffice to say that this game has suffered as a result of including PvP. There's not a value add.

    Also this attacking an avatar thing is getting kind of old. It's like attacking everyone with a LoL avatar saying they must be a horrible troll. It's so beyond childish judging someone based off an avatar, so boring :/
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  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    Great argument. Way to address the numerous points raised in this thread so far! Oh man, I can no longer see non-attackable targets! The only thing I have to give up is a PvP server, and the dynamic aspects of World PvP!
    Oh do enlighten me wise one, what are these numerous points addressing "dynamic" aspects of World PvP. Foolish me is having trouble finding any that don't essentially fall under "I want to gank people that cant or dont want to be."

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    There's no more decision making, no more tenuous peace, no escalation, etc. Those organic elements don't survive when World PvP becomes an opt-in battleground. Instead we're likely to see World PvP reduced to roaming groups fighting other roaming groups. That's fine, but that's not all World PvP is.
    Is this not what the forever praised and desired "WPVP" is?

    What is this other "organic" missing piece of the World PvP puzzle that everyone but you is missing??

  13. #173
    I’ll miss ganking

    • MCing people into the lava in BRM
    • killing Alliance as they’re scurry across Tirisfal to do SM
    • revenge ganking people trying to finish an escort quest

    Fun times.

  14. #174
    You seem really tilted by something you could of fixed by being on a pve realm, so i'm confused by this cry thread

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Moonstream View Post
    Oh do enlighten me wise one, what are these numerous points addressing "dynamic" aspects of World PvP. Foolish me is having trouble finding any that don't essentially fall under "I want to gank people that cant or dont want to be."


    Is this not what the forever praised and desired "WPVP" is?

    What is this other "organic" missing piece of the World PvP puzzle that everyone but you is missing??
    I'm just assuming you don't PvP or World PvP so you're just not very well informed on what goes on.

    Most world PvP is player created content, south shore vs tarren mill as an example. Dueling outside cities, Blizzard is just making things like this stupid hard to do because of the cottling to people rolling on a PVP SERVER and complaining about the guy who sucks at actual PvP so they gank low levels, when in actuality PvP mostly happens at 110 vs 110

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by rosebull View Post
    I'm just assuming you don't PvP or World PvP so you're just not very well informed on what goes on.

    Most world PvP is player created content, south shore vs tarren mill as an example. Dueling outside cities, Blizzard is just making things like this stupid hard to do because of the cottling to people rolling on a PVP SERVER and complaining about the guy who sucks at actual PvP so they gank low levels, when in actuality PvP mostly happens at 110 vs 110
    I missed the part where they are no longer allowing players to create SS vs TM like content. Source?

    Yea i guess I missed the part where they said they are removing dueling in BfA? Also what patch was dueling banned on pve realms, I must have missed that too with my un-informed knowledge. Source?

    How is having only flagged people that want to pvp, making it harder for you to pvp??

    You literally just stated yourself that most WPVP is player created. How does having access to more people that want to WPVP limiting or making it harder for you?

    Don't worry, I'm sure there will be some poor low lvl newb that doesn't know about the toggle for you to prey upon.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by rosebull View Post
    I'm just assuming you don't PvP or World PvP so you're just not very well informed on what goes on.

    Most world PvP is player created content, south shore vs tarren mill as an example. Dueling outside cities, Blizzard is just making things like this stupid hard to do because of the cottling to people rolling on a PVP SERVER and complaining about the guy who sucks at actual PvP so they gank low levels, when in actuality PvP mostly happens at 110 vs 110
    Only wpvp I've seen lately is horde taking advantage of their numbers and camping chokepoints in argus or the zone in spot for kara. mad skill needed there when you outnumber the other side by more than 2 to 1...

  18. #178
    I'm intrigued to see if the pvpers will go and make a new home for WPVP in the Retail Classic servers.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    Why is it people roll on a PVP server and then complain about what happens there?
    the type of realm means nothing these days, it's people transfering to a certain guild/group of people and whatever the type of server it is is a side effect.

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaith View Post
    the type of realm means nothing these days, it's people transfering to a certain guild/group of people and whatever the type of server it is is a side effect.
    They still choose to do this. It's not like PVP is hidden or is some mysterious thing now. You know what you are getting into.

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