Fair warning to you people that want to roll an Enhancement Shaman

[deniter]

Why would i even want to raid as enhancement as a class with the best raid healer capabilities? If you want to raid as a melee dps you better roll a warrior or a rogue.

You don't roll a mage either and start bitching about how you wanted to tank but your guild won't let you.

[urasim]

Why would i even want to raid as enhancement as a class with the best raid healer capabilities? If you want to raid as a melee dps you better roll a warrior or a rogue.

You don't roll a mage either and start bitching about how you wanted to tank but your guild won't let you.

Shamans didn't have the best raid healer capabilities till way later. You'll be middle of the pack at launch. Still, you'd be a strong addition to the raid with totems being group based and not raid based. Unlike druids where you really don't need many of, you can safely stack shaman all the way till the end of BC.

[Noxina]

1. You want to beat ppl in Tier 2 with your green/blue gear. Not gonna happen.

2. There are addons that create one additional bar above your standard UI bars to place all of your totems so that you won't have to use Blizzard's UI. It's your fail that you are not aware of their existence.

3. Vanilla had a different design philosophy than modern "WoW". There was one tree for level-up, one tree for PvP and one tree for raiding. It's not the game's fault that you don't understand that and you want your class' levelling spec to be able to do anything that strikes your fancy better than everybody else.

You sound as ridiculous as a Hunter crying because they cannot PvP or Raid as Beast Mastery.

In addition, contrary to what you say the spec is fine in PvP and on top of that You Tube is filled with ENhancement Shaman HWL PVP videos from Vanilla. You 're just bad.

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Case in point:



I can't believe that Blizzard listens to people such as the OP. Blizzard don't seem to understand their own game.

To be fair, a video from vanilla PvP proves zero. Everyone could play for 50 hours and manage to gather clips worth a 30 minute video in the end. Enhancement was on par with Retribution, if you had enough gear you could one-shot people in PvP (with enough luck as well for procs), I remember a Enhancement shaman on my server (I was Ally) that had Hand of Raggy, yes he would one shot pretty much everyone he met, but that was simply because he was fully t2/t2.5 geared. That doesn't make the spec any good.

There was one tree for level-up, one tree for PvP and one tree for raiding.

and nope. The answer was as simple as "we suck at balancing specs, and thus most of them are useless for most of the content"

[Cassidin]

And no, you're not getting Sulfuras, unless you RL.

Oh I dont know...... "Vanilla" server is what people want to play on..... you will eventually get everything you want. Sure it may take 5-6 years of doing the same content over and over but as we all know that's the appeal of a vanilla server - to repeatedly run the same content for years and years because "vanilla innit".

[Storfan]

Just a fair warning. I know a lot of you look back at Vanilla Enhancement Shaman as this crazy spec that could one shot people.

I mained a shaman in vanilla + have later experience with it. I am here to break your illusion.

First of all, as you might know, Enhancement shaman is not desirable in raids. We are around 50-70% of the dps of the pure dps / warriors. If you are brought to a raid it is because they want your windfury totem.

In PvP, if you go Enhancement spec, you are going to be pretty weak for the most part. Stormstrike is an ability that is unpredictable and glichy, some times not giving WF proc when you should have gotten it.
Your best bet, even for PvP, is to go Resto. Then you have an instant heal / lightning nuke. It is way better, in my experience.

You have a billion totems you need to bind like frost resist totem. And these are all very important in PvP. If you refuse to put down resist totem vs a mage you are in big trouble. We are talking 5 full bars of buttons that should be keybound.

You will be easily kited.
You die in 1 stunlock from Rogues.
Warriors will go shield and defencive when you burst, then you have nothing and they can bring you down.
You need to be very good with timings on tremor totem to make sure warlocks don't chain-fear you.

I also want to point out that the spec was nerfed in almost all patches of Vanilla. If these Classic servers are on the 1.12.x patch then you are long nerfed to the ground.
Another point is that the burst is good in early gearing stages. Once people start to get Tier 2+ they have so much HP that you can't burst them down. You both having pre raid gear is a much bigger advantage to you than you both having Tier 2 is what I am saying. Your DPS do not scale good enough.

But hey, when you are standing there, autoattacking and shocking people in Battlegrounds, every so often you get a great windfury proc and they just melt. And that feels good. It's just rare that it happens.

I know you probably have seen some YouTube videos of people one shotting but remember that they cut out all the times they don't get a windfury proc or a bad proc, that is most of the time.

I just don't want people to get false hope.

I hate to break it to you but it's even less than that. An AQ40/Naxx geared enhancement shaman will produce 30-50% the dps of an equally geared fury warrior. Barely half, at best and with less raid utility.

[FertsBlert]

To be fair on the Rogue point anyone of any class could be 100-0'd by a Rogue who knew wtf they were doing.

And also remember if you ever sepc out of the talent that lets you wield 2hers you must relevel your weapon skill if you pick it up again lol

[RoKPaNda]

Please do tell me who else is gonna take it, considering no one else really wants it.

It's a PvP toy for shamans, paladins, and warriors. That's about it.

[Deleted]

It's a PvP toy for shamans, paladins, and warriors. That's about it.

Exactly, not one is gonna use it in raids because there's better weapons

[Deleted]

And no, you're not getting Sulfuras, unless you RL.

People are very out of touch with Vanilla. People already figured out optimal itemizations.


Sulfuras/Maces are undesired for PvE in general. Only MoM is used if anything which will be unobtainable for 99,5% of the players able to use a 2hand


Warriors are not given Sulfuras anymore because almost any weapon is better for PvE (if you play 2h fury which isnt super amazing to begin with)

Warriors also use swords in PvP for more upfront burst with hand of justice+sword procc. Besides that, Sulfuras is only a midtier weapon for Warriors. They get many better ones lateron.

For Ret/Shaman Sulfuras is much better because it adds to their RNG oneshot playstyle. Its also their BiS weapon since 3.80 speed amplifies windfury and reckoning proccs and neither of the two classes will be given AQ40 and Naxx weapons for a VERY long time.

As such, warriors do not get Sulfuras anymore on private servers and it goes to shamans/paladins

[VyersReaver]

People are very out of touch with Vanilla. People already figured out optimal itemizations.


Sulfuras/Maces are undesired for PvE in general. Only MoM is used if anything which will be unobtainable for 99,5% of the players able to use a 2hand


Warriors are not given Sulfuras anymore because almost any weapon is better for PvE (if you play 2h fury which isnt super amazing to begin with)

Warriors also use swords in PvP for more upfront burst with hand of justice+sword procc. Besides that, Sulfuras is only a midtier weapon for Warriors. They get many better ones lateron.

For Ret/Shaman Sulfuras is much better because it adds to their RNG oneshot playstyle. Its also their BiS weapon since 3.80 speed amplifies windfury and reckoning proccs and neither of the two classes will be given AQ40 and Naxx weapons for a VERY long time.

As such, warriors do not get Sulfuras anymore on private servers and it goes to shamans/paladins

It was more a jab at RLs, than at Shaman balancing of Vanilla if anything. You are not getting any legendaries, unless you are raid leading, or a close IRL (or long time online) friend of the leader. In that case, you are getting all the lewd, even if you are subpar.

If I had zero friends and was raid leading in Vanilla, I'd rather give Sulfuras to a Warrior, tbqf.

[Noxina]

People are very out of touch with Vanilla. People already figured out optimal itemizations.


Sulfuras/Maces are undesired for PvE in general. Only MoM is used if anything which will be unobtainable for 99,5% of the players able to use a 2hand


Warriors are not given Sulfuras anymore because almost any weapon is better for PvE (if you play 2h fury which isnt super amazing to begin with)

Warriors also use swords in PvP for more upfront burst with hand of justice+sword procc. Besides that, Sulfuras is only a midtier weapon for Warriors. They get many better ones lateron.

For Ret/Shaman Sulfuras is much better because it adds to their RNG oneshot playstyle. Its also their BiS weapon since 3.80 speed amplifies windfury and reckoning proccs and neither of the two classes will be given AQ40 and Naxx weapons for a VERY long time.

As such, warriors do not get Sulfuras anymore on private servers and it goes to shamans/paladins

But but.. its orange! Have to be bis

[glowpipe]

do you honestly think blizzard gonna release the classic like servers with hybrid tax and this skewered class balance ? it gonna be a generic as shit experience.

[Deleted]

Can you please stop considering how much damage you are able to deal alone, from the ME logic to WE. That's one part that's been fucked up in the game for ages. To the point that buffs are pretty much gone. WF totem alone makes others so much better, even in pvp. Get a friend and help eachother out. No wonder the community dies when the mentality is "how much i can do alone without relying on others". I atleast enjoyed wow more when it was a freaking multiplayer game, not now when it's me vs the others.

[Navitas]

Just had a PTSD flashback of being stun locked to death, over and over again.

Fuck that.

Think I'll try something else in Classic, thanks OP!

[tikcol]

Honestly.

I'm just gonna play what I want to play.

Right now on the table would be Resto Sham, BM Hunter and Lock. No idea what spec for the lock though yet.

Tip for free,

There's no such thing as a bm hunter after leveling. Hunter pets didn't scale with gear in vanilla. You would be dealing less damage than the tank.

Resto shaman is life and warlocks are mostly destro.

You're welcome to RP though.

[Qman]

Also loved having to retrain two-hand weapon skill to 300 every time I respeced! /s

This was fixed in patch 1.11, I think (shaman revamp patch).

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Tip for free,
There's no such thing as a bm hunter after leveling. Hunter pets didn't scale with gear in vanilla. You would be dealing less damage than the tank.

That is right, plus your pet will be dead to any AOE really fast, since pet started to ignore AOE much later. Also you will be constantly OOM, since FD+drinking was a part of gameplay in raids (pet will keep you in combat).

[Afrospinach]

Didn't str classes get 2 AP per 1 STR + 1 AP per 1 AGI, and Agi classes got the opposite, 1 AGI = 2 AP, 1 STR = 1 AP.

I am pretty sure strength was 2 ap for strength users, rogues got 1 ap from agi and 1 ap from str. I want to say hunters got 2 ap from agi but I cannot quite remember.

[Alienshroom]

At the end of the day people who create an enhancement set want to hit big. That is all. It has its uses and some great PvP laughs. Its cool because it takes a minute to get one geared so its not everyday you see a really baller enhancement shammy. Granted I wont pretend to be an expect on how they used to be in 1.12. As people keep saying, as if its some massive problem, the raids will be very easy compared to back in the day. Its not going to be as much of a problem to bring hybrids today as it was back in vanilla when half the raid sucked big time. Come in drop your totems, everything will be fine.