US removing ban on import of Elephant Trophies

[melodramocracy]

Hopefully a shitload of hunters have rather not-so-unfortunate mishaps along the way. I mean, that'd be awful. Simply terrible.

[Gutpile]

I'm so confused. Is your argument "It's ok to kill a black rhino if you're going to stuff it's head on a wall, but if you're doing it to get it's horn then it's bad"?

If so, what the actual fuck? It's taking a species with an already endangered population and removing one more from it. Who the fuck cares the reason it's being killed??? I don't even understand the logic.

One permit to kill a rhino costs $350,000. Money used for conservation efforts for the rest of the species. Inferior cultures that pay poachers for horns for their magical properties? $0 for conservation efforts.

[Deleted]

Wrong. Wrong. No surprise since everything you've posted in this thread is wrong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15663982

Actually no, I conceede the black rhino isn't extinct

[Techno-Druid]

Hunting for food, or to equalize populations is one thing. Hunting for the joy of killing things as a spot is psychologically sick.

I agree, but sadly, it seems that some people don't care about certain species if they can't bring back a trophy.

[Gutpile]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15663982

Actually no, I conceede the black rhino isn't extinct

http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/628/169330.html
https://news.mongabay.com/wildtech/2...n-their-horns/
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/sou...e-to-new-home/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/natur...s-South-Africa

Please get the fuck out of the thread.

I think African countries should sell permits to kill poachers.

[Mittens]

And should be restricted to professionals NOT rich gunhoe sociopaths

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Nobody is gloating

The comments seem to suggest otherwise. Anyway, I'm not surprised that hypocrisy runs high among smug Europeans.

[Xinder]

One permit to kill a rhino costs $350,000. Money used for conservation efforts for the rest of the species. Inferior cultures that pay poachers for horns for their magical properties? $0 for conservation efforts.

So how long is it before someone can pay another 350k to kill another rhino? If there are 100 Rhinos left in the species, why is it ok to kill 1 more of them for the 350k and not instead wait to let the species recover and get to 1000 or even 500 before you are removing one from the population? Besides the fact that I still would think it's disgusting practice and shouldn't be how the world works. It makes 0 sense to me to say "Here hunt and kill one of these so that we can save the rest of them because we're out of money for our effort to save the species".

[-Nurot]

Wrong. Wrong. No surprise since everything you've posted in this thread is wrong.

Western black rhino declared extinct

That was 2011.....

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-15663982

If only big game hunters had killed them before the poachers could, then trickle down economics would have worked to save them.....

Even the south-western Black Rhino is consider "Critically Endangered".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_rhinoceros

We should probably let big game hunters start hunting them to fix the problem right?

Glad we all agree that the Western Black rhino is extinct though.

[ParanoiD84]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15663982

Actually no, I conceede the black rhino isn't extinct

Rhino poaching is fucked, often they cut of the horn and leave them to die. Watch some pics online, would be very nice if they did the same to the poachers, atleast rangers are free to kill poachers on sight in many places now, more soon i hope.

[Gutpile]

So how long is it before someone can pay another 350k to kill another rhino? If there are 100 Rhinos left in the species, why is it ok to kill 1 more of them for the 350k and not instead wait to let the species recover and get to 1000 or even 500 before you are removing one from the population? Besides the fact that I still would think it's disgusting practice and shouldn't be how the world works. It makes 0 sense to me to say "Here hunt and kill one of these so that we can save the rest of them because we're out of money for our effort to save the species".

Anyone who's not a complete idiot realizes that there is heavy regulation on the permits. Just like there's even regulation on deer permits here in the US, even though they're wildly overpopulated. Get your dumb emotions out of the topic.

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That was 2011.....

[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-15663982"]

Glad we all agree that the Western Black rhino is extinct though.

And by "we" you mean "you".

[Ghostpanther]

https://www.fws.gov/international/an...elephants.html

There you go. They've moved around the document itself in catagories but they're still on the endangered species act.

Which is why I included the word critically. It is there in black letters on white. :P Sometimes we overlook things because it does not fit our line of thinking. A species which is endangered, but not listed as critically, means they are in danger of reaching the critical stage. Which is the last stage before they become extinct.

[Techno-Druid]

Well, I checked it out and the only elephant which is listed as critically endangered, is the Sumatran species. https://www.wonderslist.com/10-endan...to-extinction/

Another site said as of 2016, there were a few hundred thousands of all elephant species alive. And they also noted that most are killed by poaches by far, than by hunters.

Asian elephants as a species are classified as endangered, some subspecies like the Sumatran elephant are critically endangered.

My issue with hunting elephants as mentioned before is that they are intelligent, well beyond deer or wild turkeys or most animals we would hunt in North America. Their cognitive functions are comparable to great apes and cetaceans. They are able to recognize themselves in mirrors (a sign of self-awareness as most animals will ignore or attack their reflection). Elephants have been known to attack villages in retaliation in areas where poaching is common.

[-Nurot]

Anyone who's not a complete idiot realizes that there is heavy regulation on the permits. Just like there's even regulation on deer permits here in the US, even though they're wildly overpopulated. Get your dumb emotions out of the topic.

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And by "we" you mean "you".

Right because you refuse to believe there are different subspecies of Black Rhinos.

Again I'll link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_rhinoceros

If you read it, you'd actually know which sub-species are extinct.

[Gutpile]

Right because you refuse to believe there are different subspecies of Black Rhinos.

Again I'll link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_rhinoceros

If you read it, you'd actually know which sub-species are extinct.

My bad, I didn't pay attention to "Western".

Again, though. Poachers, not trophy hunters.

[Xinder]

Which is why I included the word critically. It is there in black letters on white. :P Sometimes we overlook things because it does not fit our line of thinking. A species which is endangered, but not listed as critically, means they are in danger of reaching the critical stage. Which is the last stage before they become extinct.

Oh so it's ok then. No need to worry until they're on the last step to becoming extinct. Heaven forbid we let them get off the list all together before we start allowing them hunted again.

[IIamaKing]

It is so humiliating to be an American right now.

You can move.

[Ghostpanther]

Asian elephants as a species are classified as endangered, some subspecies like the Sumatran elephant are critically endangered.

My issue with hunting elephants as mentioned before is that they are intelligent, well beyond deer or wild turkeys or most animals we would hunt in North America. Their cognitive functions are comparable to great apes and cetaceans. They are able to recognize themselves in mirrors (a sign of self-awareness as most animals will ignore or attack their reflection). Elephants have been known to attack villages in retaliation in areas where poaching is common.

Look at my quote. Do I not have the word critically in my sentence? And I have already stated I find shooting a elephant or large cat just for sport, repulsive. So we do agree. The point about intelligence is well made. But I find the concept of killing any animal for pure sport and no other reason, repulsive. If they are hunting a animal and they know it's death will be put to good use, such as food or helping with preserving the species, than that is a different situation.

[Phookah]

You can move.

Yeah, cause that makes you not an American. Being pedantic as shit gets you nowhere in life.

OT: Of course, because Trump's actual mission while in office is to make our country into as big of a joke as possible. I'd say he's ahead of the curve at this point.

[Ghostpanther]

Oh so it's ok then. No need to worry until they're on the last step to becoming extinct. Heaven forbid we let them get off the list all together before we start allowing them hunted again.

Depends. Like some have posted, hunting of a species may generate resources for the country they are in, to help preserve the species. I am not well versed on all that entails. But I do not condemn anyone who hunts any animal which is legal to hunt anywhere. Would I? Hell no.

[breadisfunny]

something is missing in this article as it doesn't exactly list who approved this or why. it just basically says it happened but not what specific persons authorized it.