Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Trump Jr. released his contacts with WikiLeaks.

Well...some of them. Turns out, there was more. And he was trying to hide it.

Judiciary Sens: Kushner was contacted about WikiLeaks, Russia ahead of election



So.

Trump's campaign, nay his family, said they would provide details about their communication with Russia and WikiLeaks, then failed to disclose a bunch of stuff, tried to have a bunch of stuff withheld from Congress, oh, and "backdore overture with Russia"?
@Skroe get in here.

At this point, we can pretty safely say that both Kushner and Trump Jr are not very bright.

Seriously though, when is Kushner going to get nailed for perjury? How many times does this make it that he's failed to disclose information in forms or has outright lied to Congress?

[mvaliz]

At this point, we can pretty safely say that both Kushner and Trump Jr are not very bright.

Seriously though, when is Kushner going to get nailed for perjury? How many times does this make it that he's failed to disclose information in forms or has outright lied to Congress?

After the most recent Mullerings™ involving Manafort, Gates and Pappadapalapadingdong, it's only a matter of time. I'm suspecting Dumb-Dumb Junior and Kushner to be arrested after round 3.

I kinda have faith that Muller is getting more and more on these fuckwits, and when the hammer comes down - it will be a scale 20-blow. It's annoying that we have to wait so long, but that's the price to pay IMO for doing this right. >_<

[Poopymonster]

At this point, we can pretty safely say that both Kushner and Trump Jr are not very bright.

Seriously though, when is Kushner going to get nailed for perjury? How many times does this make it that he's failed to disclose information in forms or has outright lied to Congress?

Silly Edge, Kushy had enough people sending him #ThoughtsandPrayers to keep him safe.

[Stormspark]

After the most recent Mullerings™ involving Manafort, Gates and Pappadapalapadingdong, it's only a matter of time. I'm suspecting Dumb-Dumb Junior and Kushner to be arrested after round 3.

I kinda have faith that Muller is getting more and more on these fuckwits, and when the hammer comes down - it will be a scale 20-blow. It's annoying that we have to wait so long, but that's the price to pay IMO for doing this right. >_<

It's like a giant avalanche. Right before it starts there are a few stray rocks falling here and there. That's what we've seen so far. The Mueller avalanche hasn't really started yet, the 3 people he's gotten so far were just to get people shaking in their boots.

[Breccia]

A new poheeheehee

*cough* Sorry, I meant a new poll showsheeheehahahahaha

*AHEM*

As I was trying to say, a new poooohohohohoHAHAHAHAHA shows Trump HAHAHAHAHA has lower ratings in Alabama HAHAHAHAH than Obama!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait hahahaha wait! Wait!

It's a FOX News poll!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Oh hey, the Keystone Pipeline spilled.

[DarkTZeratul]

Oh hey, the Keystone Pipeline spilled.

Man, if only a whole bunch of people had foreseen this possibility and pressured the government to deny the permits, all of this could have been avoided.

[Breccia]

Gates -- the guy that was indicted and charged but isn't Manafort -- pleaded with the judge to end his house arrest, so he could drive his kids to school and "Thanksgiving plans".

The judge said no. I believe the exact words were "You managed to come up with $5 million bail, I think you can get a driver, also aren't you married?"

[Edge-]

A new poheeheehee

*cough* Sorry, I meant a new poll showsheeheehahahahaha

*AHEM*

As I was trying to say, a new poooohohohohoHAHAHAHAHA shows Trump HAHAHAHAHA has lower ratings in Alabama HAHAHAHAH than Obama!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait hahahaha wait! Wait!

It's a FOX News poll!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's it, I don't understand anything in this world anymore. Nothing makes sense : |

[Breccia]

Hey, what's this?



Well, that looks like the bridge Putin is building between Crimea and Russia in 24-hour death-march style construction. Sounds like someone's there to stay. Hey, didn't Trump say something about Russia not going into Ukraine on his watch? Didn't he say something about working with Putin to solve the Ukraine problem? I remember it like he said it this week...

[mvaliz]

A new poheeheehee

*cough* Sorry, I meant a new poll showsheeheehahahahaha

*AHEM*

As I was trying to say, a new poooohohohohoHAHAHAHAHA shows Trump HAHAHAHAHA has lower ratings in Alabama HAHAHAHAH than Obama!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait hahahaha wait! Wait!

It's a FOX News poll!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry to be lay-Z, but could you translate this poll thing? I'm not sure I get it ATM. just a whole lotta numbers and data to me =/

[Edge-]

Sorry to be lay-Z, but could you translate this poll thing? I'm not sure I get it ATM. just a whole lotta numbers and data to me =/

Really bad 5 second MS Paint but -

[mvaliz]

Really bad 5 second MS Paint but -

Gotcha... thx. And yes, you're right - that doesn't make any sense. >_<

[Edge-]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...he-white-house

So a fun fact: Kushner still doesn't actually have security clearance. At least not proper/permanent clearance. He's had a temporary clearance for the past 10 months.

[Breccia]

So a fun fact: Kushner still doesn't actually have security clearance.

Of course not. He keeps forgetting to disclose all those meetings he had with hostile foreign powers.

"There. Third time's the charm. I disclosed every meeting with Russian bankers, Kremlin lawyers, and oligarchs buying Trump real estate for overinflated prices and then never living there. We good?"
"Did you include WikiLeaks?"
"Shit! I knew I forgot something."

[Mormolyce]

4) He dropped off the Forbes list entirely, because he lied to Forbes about how much he was worth to the tune of three billion dollars. Specifically, he said he was worth $3.7 billion, and he's worth $0.7 billion.

So now we know why Trump liked him.

[Breccia]

So it turns out a Trump property is connected with organized crime --

"We already knew that."

No. This is a new one. Namely, Panama.

When Ivanka Trump flew here in 2006 to push her family’s latest business project — an oceanfront steel and glass tower called the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, shaped like a sail and designed to be one of the tallest buildings in Latin America — a Brazilian real estate salesman named Alexandre Ventura Nogueira says he was ready with a sales pitch.

Ventura, who said he only had a small real estate company at the time, said he told Ivanka Trump that he could sell condos in the proposed skyscraper for three times the price of similar units in Panama City. The reason: the Trump name, which would go on the building in a licensing deal even though the Trump Organization was not the building’s real developer.

Ventura says he and Ivanka agreed to a kind of challenge. If Ventura could sell apartments as easily as he claimed, and for those high prices, he’d become the main sales representative for the project.

"In case you were wondering, he didn't use the Groucho Marx glasses during his sales pitches."

“The agreement was, I had a week to sell 100 units,” Ventura said in a recent interview with NBC News. “I said, ‘I’m going to do better, I’m going to sell without telling (the buyers) the price.”

Ventura did sell the initial units, and later hundreds more. He is now a fugitive. In May 2009, Ventura was arrested in Panama for real estate fraud, unrelated to the Trump project. Mauricio Ceballos, a former financial crimes prosecutor in Panama who investigated Ventura, said that dozens of complaints against Ventura crossed his desk accusing him of double- and triple-selling apartments, both at the Trump Ocean Club and other developments.

Ventura eventually fled Panama while out on bail. He denied having defrauded his clients but admitted to NBC News that he has participated in money laundering on behalf of corrupt Panamanian politicians, unrelated to the building project.

Ventura isn’t the only person associated with the building who has had run-ins with the law. An NBC News investigation into the Trump Ocean Club, in conjunction with Reuters, shows that the project was riddled with brokers, customers and investors who have been linked to drug trafficking and international crime. Ceballos, who investigated the project, went as far as to call the skyscraper “a vehicle for money laundering.”

The investigation revealed no indication that the Trump Organization or members of the Trump family engaged in any illegal activity, or knew of the criminal backgrounds of some of the project’s associates. But Ventura said that the Trumps never asked any questions about the buyers or where the money was coming from.

Legal experts contacted by Reuters said the Trumps should have asked those questions. Because Panama is “perceived to be highly corrupt,” said Arthur Middlemiss, a former assistant district attorney in Manhattan and a former head of JPMorgan’s global anti-corruption program, those who do business there should perform due diligence on others involved in their ventures. If they fail to do so, he told Reuters, they risk being liable under U.S. law of turning a blind eye to wrongdoing.

The Reuters article is older, but the link is still valid. Thing is, NBC interviewed the guy.

In the interview, Ventura admitted that some of his brokers and clients who bought and sold units in the Trump Ocean Club were connected to the Russian mafia and other organized-crime groups, including a convicted money launderer who moved cash for drug cartels.

“I had some customers with questionable backgrounds,” he said. “Nobody ever asked me. Banks never asked. Developer didn’t ask and (the) Trump Organization didn’t ask. Nobody ask, ‘Who are the customers, where did the money come from?’ No, nobody ask.”

The Trump Organization was not the actual developer of the Panama tower. Thanks in large part to the hit NBC television show “The Apprentice,” the Trump name was recognized all over the world and the Panama deal was structured to capitalize on that brand. For this deal, the Trump Organization would license its brand, operate the hotel and sell its expertise in managing the building, receiving a cut of every condo sale. The actual development, along with all of the risks involved, would be left to a local businessman with almost no real estate experience, Roger Khafif and other partners. Ventura said he was invited to the meeting as Khafif’s sales representative.

The interview with Ventura took place in a European city; Ventura agreed to meet NBC News along with Reuters, but asked that the specific location remain undisclosed and that he wear a disguise when appearing on camera.

Ivanka Trump, now senior adviser to President Donald Trump, did not respond to requests for comment about her involvement in the project, instead referring questions to the Trump Organization. In a statement, the company distanced itself from both Ventura and the Panama project.

“The Trump Organization was not the owner, developer or seller of the Trump Ocean Club Panama project,” the statement said. “Because of its limited role, the company was not responsible for the financing of the project and had no involvement in the sale of units or the retention of any real estate brokers.”

The statement went on to say that the company has no relationship with Ventura, nor any knowledge of any allegations against him.

This is a pretty stupid thing to say, considering his name is on a bunch of Panamanian forms. But here's more, read on.

But Ventura says that the Trump family, and Ivanka Trump in particular, was involved in the details of the Trump Ocean Club, and that she interacted with him extensively.

Ivanka Trump is featured in a promotional video for the Trump Ocean Club, made in 2011, in which she praises “the beautiful pool decks” and “our 10,000-square-foot spa.”

“Buenos días,” she says in the video. “Hello, I'm Ivanka Trump. Welcome to Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, Panama, rising 70 stories above the glistening Panama Bay. We've taken inspiration from the beauty that surrounds us to create a new landmark for Panama.” She goes on to discuss such details as the “tropical color palette” and the carvings on the guestroom headboards.

“The Trump Organization has to approve everything because of his name on the project,” Ventura said, describing the project as Ivanka Trump’s “baby.”

According to the Trump Ocean Club’s bondholder prospectus, Donald Trump was projected to make $74.2 million from the project by the end of 2010. The disclosure forms Trump filed with the Office of Government Ethics show that he continues to earn management fees and royalties from the Trump Ocean Club. In the last three years, the documents show, he was paid as much as $13.9 million.

Global Witness, a nonprofit anti-corruption watchdog that is often critical of businesses and their connections to government officials, said Panama offered Donald Trump a new way to make money at a time when his businesses were struggling. (The Trump casino empire filed for bankruptcy in 2004.) The group is publishing the findings of its investigation into the Trump Ocean Club on Friday.

“In the mid-2000s Panama was known as a money laundering hotspot,” said Patrick Alley, co-founder of Global Witness. “At that time the Trump companies were in dire trouble. He changed his business model to license his name and his brand to other people’s developments, and very often they would be inexperienced developers, low-profile people who needed a name to sell their developments. So Trump would go into a licensing deal, which meant he invested nothing, but could make a profit from it.”

Ventura estimates his company, Homes Real Estate Investment & Services, sold 350 to 400 units, about $100 million worth of property. Ventura says he was such an effective salesman that he was invited to a 2008 celebration at Trump’s Florida estate, Mar-a-Lago. Ventura provided photographs of himself with Donald Trump at the event, and other photographs of him with Ivanka, Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr.

See? Told you it was stupid.


"I do not know anything about this person I am taking a picture with, despite inviting him to Mar-a-Lago for getting me hundreds of millions of dollars"

"You look so much more handsome without the Groucho Marx glasses."
"I only wear those when I've fled bail."

Ventura said the Trumps never asked about his clients, the people who were buying the condo units, and he never told them. To cite one example, he said that he sold seven to 10 units in the Trump Ocean Club to a man named David Murcia Guzmán, founder of a large Colombian marketing company.

Guzmán is now in U.S. custody, awaiting extradition to Colombia after being convicted by a U.S. federal court of laundering money for drug cartels, including through real estate. According to a Colombian news report, citing the police, Guzmán also had financial ties to the FARC, a paramilitary organization listed by the State Department as a terrorist group.

Guzmán isn’t the only link connecting drug trafficking to the Trump Ocean Club. One of the early investors in the project was a man named Louis Pargiolas. In 2009, he pleaded guilty in a federal court in Miami to conspiracy to import cocaine.

Ventura says about half of the units he sold at the Trump Ocean Club were to Russians. To help handle them, Ventura went into business with several Russian-speaking real estate brokers, who he admits have had checkered pasts, including one named Stanislav Kavalenka. According to Ontario court documents, Kavalenka was charged in Canada with a number of offenses, including “compelling” and “procuring” women to engage in prostitution. The case was withdrawn when the two women failed to appear in court to give evidence against him.

Another investor in Ventura’s firm was Arkady Vodovozov. According to court files cited by Reuters, he was convicted of kidnapping in Israel. A third representative of the brokerage firm, described by Ventura as an occasional buyer at the Trump Ocean Club, was Igor Anapolskiy, according to Ukrainian court documents. He was convicted in September 2014 by a court in Ukraine of forging travel documents, according to Global Witness.

The identities of all of the buyers and sellers of the building’s units is difficult to discover, however, because many of the units were bought and sold through anonymous shell companies, according to documents from the Panamanian office of public records. Ventura says he set up hundreds of those corporations, charging roughly $1,000 each.

Ceballos, who says he investigated transactions related to the Trump Ocean Club during his stint as an anti-corruption prosecutor in Panama, describes the building as a magnet for international organized crime, particularly from Russia.

“The majority of sales of this building were not to local residents, but rather to foreigners,” he said. “They bought initially as an investment, knowing that once the building was constructed you could legalize your money.”

He added: “We were able to find out that people with some kind of criminal history acquired apartments there.”

Ceballos said lax law enforcement in Panama made money laundering easy. To launder money, he said, buyers using anonymous corporations would bring dirty money to Panama, often in cash, use it to buy real estate with no questions asked, sell it, and deposit the proceeds into local banks, which would accept the funds, also without asking questions. The real estate purchases, Ceballos says, were solely a way to get the money into banks and into the global financial system; few buyers intended to live in the condos.

And in case you didn't think selling all that property to the Russian mafia wasn't bad enough...

During a recent visit by NBC News, the Trump Ocean Club appeared to be largely empty, with virtually no one in the restaurants at night. The hallways were consistently empty. The lights were off in many of the units after dark. Ventura said most of his clients never intended to live in the Trump Ocean Club.

Miguel Antonio Bernal, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Panama and a campaigner against corruption, said many buildings in Panama City were built specifically to be vehicles for money laundering; the Trump Ocean Club fits the mold.

“There are more than 500 buildings like this,” he said. “But this – the difference of this – is that this has the name of the actual president of the United States. And he keeps the name here.”

Ventura now lives under a new name, as do two other brokers who used to sell the building’s condos. He said he admires President Trump and doesn’t consider himself to be a detractor or accuser. Ventura said his job was simply to sell and not ask questions. As for Trump, he said: “It could be that he didn’t want to know… I believe that he didn’t know.”

Sarah Chayes, a corruption expert working with a group of lawyers trying to bring an unrelated case against the president for violating the Emoluments clause of the Constitution, said it was troubling that the Trump Organization seemed to pay no attention to the shady backgrounds of its partners and clients.

“Anyone who thinks that members of FARC, that drug dealers, Russian oligarchs who have been looting their own country, represent normal business partners,” she said, “doesn’t quite understand the free enterprise system that I think is central to a healthy America.”

So, Team Trump, led by Ivanka personally, were completely fine with a real estate deal in which drug dealers and Russian mafia bought condos they would never use, in what expert officials say is a clear money laundering template, refused to ask questions even after three of the people involved have fled and are living under new names. And, they knew this guy, and worked with him personally, but have suddenly forgotten all about it. Just because they didn't develop it doesn't excuse anything.

[Ripster42]

So it turns out a Trump property is connected with organized crime --

I'm surprised you didn't highlight the customer who bought condos who was also involved in kidnapping and sex trafficking. As in, his business is what the movie taken is based off of. You quote it but don't bold it. To me that's way, way worse than drug trafficking.

[Breccia]

I'm surprised you didn't highlight the customer who bought condos who was also involved in kidnapping and sex trafficking.

I honestly missed that amidst all the other clearly criminal scum on the list.

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Sessions, to combat the rumors that the DOJ has been pressing against the AT&T merger due to CNN, issued a memo saying he would stop doing that.

[Orbitus]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...he-white-house

So a fun fact: Kushner still doesn't actually have security clearance. At least not proper/permanent clearance. He's had a temporary clearance for the past 10 months.

He shouldn't have any at all. Lying 3 times to the FBI on your security clearance should have it taken away, and him being thrown in jail for the next 5 years for doing so. But, the Attorney General would have to prosecute, and the racist keebler elf won't do that.

[PACOX]

Trump has MULTIPLE ties to the mob. He was building while others were boycotting the mob.