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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by WeaponizedPillows View Post
    Does no one here understand how significant of an issue gambling addiction is? The whole reason gambling is moderated as heavily as it is isn't because of the chance of failure, it's because of the psychological manipulation pushing people to keep trying for a positive outcome.

    Why is everyone hand-wringing and defending this practice? At best, it is baby's first gambling addiction, and should not be supported. If developers want microtransactions in the game, let it be an open market like Warframe's.

    There is no reason loot boxes should exist in video games except to get people to spend more money than they otherwise would have on the items they actually want. They can't take as much money from you if they just sell you the item you are after, so they dick you around with random chance. It is the exact same manipulation that causes "real" gambling to be monitored so heavily.
    loot boxes are not gambling, you always get something in a loot box, with gambling you have a high chance of losing and not gaining anything
    STAR-J4R9-YYK4 use this for 5000 credits in star citizen

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    loot boxes are not gambling, you always get something in a loot box, with gambling you have a high chance of losing and not gaining anything
    Goddamnit you figured it out! Just program the slot machines to dispense some kind of crap every time you "lose". Perfect way to get around the gambling laws!

    Dude patent the system now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    It mite but you got a point. I also wouldn't be surprised if its part of it because Overwatch is bigger then Hearthstone.
    Maybe it has to do with HS being f2p and SWBF2 and OW you need to purchase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Not really. The UK made their ruling. Not sure how its goal post moving, but keep it up!

    Well cause the first goal post was any regulatory body with government ties. Now the goalpost is ones you "trust".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Well cause the first goal post was any regulatory body with government ties. Now the goalpost is ones you "trust".
    And I was corrected to the UK having doen so as I was unaware. thats not goalpost moving. Thats someone correcting me. Also, excuse me? trust? Where does that come from? Oh right, someone making something up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    And I was corrected to the UK having doen so as I was unaware. thats not goalpost moving. Thats someone correcting me. Also, excuse me? trust? Where does that come from? Oh right, someone making something up.

    Just because you were corrected doesn't mean you didn't move the goal post. In fact you moved them because you were corrected.


    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    And thats just the UK. Which lets face it, no one takes that seriously right now.

    No you didn't use the word trust which is why it was in quotation marks. At the same same not taking someone seriously is the same as saying you don't trust them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Just because you were corrected doesn't mean you didn't move the goal post. In fact you moved them because you were corrected.





    No you didn't use the word trust which is why it was in quotation marks. At the same same not taking someone seriously is the same as saying you don't trust them.
    Its not the same. Also I already explained that it was a joke based off gen-off topic. Are you now going to go into a bad circular argument for a few pages over nothing or actually try to have a real discussion, because I'm bored.

    So why dont you "try"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Its not the same. Also I already explained that it was a joke based off gen-off topic. Are you now going to go into a bad circular argument for a few pages over nothing or actually try to have a real discussion, because I'm bored.

    So why dont you "try"

    There is no real discussion for me here. I don't see it as gambling. There is no risk and the rewards are limited. You aren't gambling in anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    There is no real discussion for me here. I don't see it as gambling. There is no risk and the rewards are limited. You aren't gambling in anyway.
    I disagree.

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    In before casinos make it so that you always win something - even if miserable useless amounts - bam! No longer bound by Gambling rules!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    In before casinos make it so that you always win something - even if miserable useless amounts - bam! No longer bound by Gambling rules!
    They made sure I got a candy bar at the end I am no longer a gambling addict!

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    How the hell is it gambling? You're always getting something. Furthermore gambling involves spending money to make money on some game of chance. Poker. Slot machines. Horse racing. Money is put in to (try to) get money out.


    You aren't making any money at all off of what you get out of loot crates, and you have no chance to. Everyone knows this going in.

    If it was a matter of "buy a lootbox, get a chance to win blizzard bucks to spend on battle.net!" I'd say that'd qualify. But nothing in Overwatch, proper, holds any monetary value.
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  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Goddamnit you figured it out! Just program the slot machines to dispense some kind of crap every time you "lose". Perfect way to get around the gambling laws!

    Dude patent the system now.
    Yeah, it's a pretty shitty system. But loot boxes are not gambling tbh. When you bet in a casino there is always the chance of either losing your money, regardless if they give you some crap, or gaining more money. That's a binary outcome, you either loose or win more the money you put in. Lootboxes are worth nothing, you are just throwing your money at Blizzard, EA or whatever gaming company and getting virtual stuff that is worth nothing except at a personal level.

    It's a shitty system and I don't like it, but it is not gambling.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    How the hell is it gambling? You're always getting something. Furthermore gambling involves spending money to make money on some game of chance. Poker. Slot machines. Horse racing. Money is put in to (try) to get money out.


    You aren't making any money at all off of what you get out of loot crates, and you have no chance to. Everyone knows this going in.

    If it was a matter of "buy a lootbox, get a chance to win blizzard bucks to spend on battle.net!" I'd say that'd qualify. But nothing in Overwatch, proper, holds any monetary value.
    "Blizzard Bucks" are not money - it would still not be gambling by YOUR own accord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    "Blizzard Bucks" are not money - it would still not be gambling by YOUR own accord.
    These made up "blizzard bucks" would hold a monetary rate of exchange, at least. E.G, 500 blizzard bucks are worth Legacy of the Void, so 20$-ish. You'd be putting money in to potentially win some amount of money back.


    Seeing as nothing in Overwatch has any actual given real-life value (even the "gold" you can win; it can't ever be exchanged for real money) there's a complete disconnect from any actual monetary value. Therefore: no gambling. People aren't ever putting money into lootboxes hoping to come out "ahead" in the deal money-wise. At least, I hope not, as that would be a very serious disconnect from reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    These made up "blizzard bucks" would hold a monetary rate of exchange, at least. E.G, 500 blizzard bucks are worth Legacy of the Void, so 20$-ish. You'd be putting money in to potentially win some amount of money back.


    Seeing as nothing in Overwatch has any actual given value (even the "gold" you can win; it can't ever be exchanged from real money) there's a complete disconnect from any actual monetary value. Therefore: no gambling. You aren't ever putting money into lootboxes hoping to come out "ahead" in the deal.
    Quite the value. 4 of those items = 2 USD.

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    Is buying a kinder egg gambling?

  18. #258
    Death to lootboxes!

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by WeaponizedPillows View Post
    Does no one here understand how significant of an issue gambling addiction is? The whole reason gambling is moderated as heavily as it is isn't because of the chance of failure, it's because of the psychological manipulation pushing people to keep trying for a positive outcome.

    Why is everyone hand-wringing and defending this practice? At best, it is baby's first gambling addiction, and should not be supported. If developers want microtransactions in the game, let it be an open market like Warframe's.

    There is no reason loot boxes should exist in video games except to get people to spend more money than they otherwise would have on the items they actually want. They can't take as much money from you if they just sell you the item you are after, so they dick you around with random chance. It is the exact same manipulation that causes "real" gambling to be monitored so heavily.
    Well it shouldn't be too surprising that people can't understand it. Might as well talk to a rock about mental health issues in the majority of cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    Quite the value. 4 of those items = 2 USD.
    Just an arbitrary example. And I'm not saying I'd really care about it at that point, just that I could then see someone arguing that it was gambling.

    But as that's all hypothetical, I can't see how the current system is in any way "vandalism."
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